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Bill: further nationalization
Details
Submitted by[?]: Libertarian party of Darnussia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2077
Description[?]:
| all same reasons... too long to bother... allright i'll give it a try (for a short explenation). Now the bourgeouisie (the owners of the factories) receive a lot of money without actually working while the workers work and receive almost nothing, with nationalization the worker would receive a loan and the profit would go to the government who can spend it on many social services such as free healthcare and education. So with nationalization you create a more just Darnussia and we would have a workers-state where the workers have control. (before you ask the manager is elected by the workers). |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The state owns the commanding heights of the economy and all major industries, but private ownership is allowed in the minor industries.
Current: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Proposed: All industry is owned and operated by the state.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:49:06, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the further nationalization |
| Message | well to explain how this is still neccesery even when controlled capitalism is possible will take a little longer though :P. But it ends up in the bosses trying to defy the law all the time and find holes so they can still exploit the workers, therefore i am pro-workers control! Workers of all countries, UNITE! |
| Date | 13:50:11, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the further nationalization |
| Message | before someone forgets to read the description: all same reasons... too long to bother... allright i'll give it a try (for a short explenation). Now the bourgeouisie (the owners of the factories) receive a lot of money without actually working while the workers work and receive almost nothing, with nationalization the worker would receive a loan and the profit would go to the government who can spend it on many social services such as free healthcare and education. So with nationalization you create a more just Darnussia and we would have a workers-state where the workers have control. (before you ask the manager is elected by the workers). |
| Date | 13:51:51, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the further nationalization |
| Message | the argument that it failed in history will take EVEN longer but it had nothing to do with the economic system but more with the other conditions, since these conditions dont exist in Darnussia a socialist economy is very possible! |
| Date | 17:19:21, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the further nationalization |
| Message | If we are working for a "profit for the state" and we don't have competion, standards will drop like a lead balloon, since we will end up cutting corners to come up with the profit to pay for all the wonderful things like free healthcare and education and other things in our welfare system. |
| Date | 17:25:20, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the further nationalization |
| Message | "with nationalization the worker would receive a loan and the profit would go to the government who can spend it on many social services such as free healthcare and education." and when I am thinking about it, what are you on about workers recieving a loan? I always thought a loan was something you had to pay back with interest. Would it not be better if they had a share? So all the workers are shareholders? Although that of course poses it's own problems |
| Date | 19:09:47, July 06, 2005 CET | From | People's Progressive Party | To | Debating the further nationalization |
| Message | Absolutely not, this bill is insane. Totaly nationalisation=economic stagnation. |
| Date | 19:52:26, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the further nationalization |
| Message | In full agreement with PP. |
| Date | 13:02:09, July 07, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the further nationalization |
| Message | SDP: standards would rise incredibly for the workers maybe not for the elite (looking at examples of the past). Well loan is the futch word :P uhm... english... uhm... payement? ohw well you know what i mean! And yes all the workers are shareholders if you want to look at it like that! The management of the company is done by elected officials so thats really no problem! PP: economic stagnation?? you did not even have a basis when saying at least say economic stagnation beceause.... now i can't answer it at all all i can say is look at the examples of the past! |
| Date | 19:53:50, July 07, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the further nationalization |
| Message | pffft... LBSC claimign that this nation is so damn leftish and full of socialists... only true socialist i noticed is CoL and he hasn't voted jet... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 106 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 495 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 149 |
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