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Bill: Welfare Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Democrats of Jakania
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2365
Description[?]:
| Fixing it up. Once again, if you vote no, please state why |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state does not provide child benefit.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to large families.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to all families.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Current: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Current: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:22:43, February 24, 2007 CET | From | Moderate Republican Party | To | Debating the Welfare Act |
| Message | We feel article 2 is questionable because it guarruntees a minimum income to any person, even if they are unemployed. While we feel this is necessary, it the basic income provision should expire after a certain amount of time. That ensures that any unemployed person cannot simply live at home and collect govenment money. They should have to find a job. |
| Date | 20:29:10, February 24, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party | To | Debating the Welfare Act |
| Message | Once again, the cold and heartless M.R.P. speaks. But you can't blame them, all they care about is the rich. We applaud the M.R.P. for their move against the suffering and poor! (Note: Sarcasm is abundant in this message.) |
| Date | 20:49:44, February 24, 2007 CET | From | Scientific Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Welfare Act |
| Message | We simply oppose taking money from people who work in order to give it to people who do not work. There are a lot of other problems and issues, but that's the fundamental principle. |
| Date | 21:52:06, February 24, 2007 CET | From | United Democrats of Jakania | To | Debating the Welfare Act |
| Message | I do in fact see what you mean, but it says it is very basic. Very basic means that it is just enough to get by, and I mean, what kind of person would want just enough money to get by. I mean, me personally, and I am sure every single one of you, want more thant "just enough" |
| Date | 23:08:17, February 24, 2007 CET | From | Scientific Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Welfare Act |
| Message | Personally, speaking as Chairman of the Secularist Libertarian Party? Maybe I want more than just enough, but I don't want it from the government. I want to earn it myself. If I am given money for free, tax money from the government, that's just unfair, unfair to me as a lazy nonworking jerkwad, unfair to the hard workers whose money it is, and unfair to society by encouraging the former instead of the latter. The Golden Rule kind of backfires when one hates oneself, we suppose. |
| Date | 23:58:43, February 24, 2007 CET | From | United Democrats of Jakania | To | Debating the Welfare Act |
| Message | But you seem to miss that fact that, the money that the people are receiving is "just enough". The money they make is very basic. THat means that it is enough for the basic needs of life. |
| Date | 16:33:49, February 25, 2007 CET | From | United Democrats of Jakania | To | Debating the Welfare Act |
| Message | Though for my want for this to pass, I shall propose a new one, with a less extreme form of article 2 |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 165 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 315 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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