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Bill: Rutanian Scandal!
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partisans And Artisans League
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2092
Description[?]:
| What do you make of this my countrymen!? http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=11750 The Federated States of Rutania tried to convince us of their pacifist nature and the PAL always doubted it. The discussions between our two nations about a "Non-Aggression Pact" must be terminated immediately. This is the proof the PAL had been searching for of their double standards. If they have declared a "non-Aggression Pact" with nearly every nation on the continent what do they need chemical weapons for? This is a serious advance of Rutanian forces and we ask the President to consider increasing Beluzian military strength along the nothern frontier. If this bill passes it will see Beluzian troop numbers stepped up to around three times their present numbers in Negunia (although they will be stationed in the south of the state) and all the armed forces will be on high alert. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:30:09, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | (ooc: who'sin charge of defence now? Is it the old defence minister, or the one nominated in the new cabinet proposal? I need to know if this is my job or not!) At a minimum, we must demand that Rutania disarm itself of wepaons of mass destruction. The debate is over how best to do this. We will comment after examing the Rutanian situation more closely. We should also consult with other states in the region and consider formulating a common approach to this new threat. |
| Date | 20:27:40, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Humanism-Scientism Collusion | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | I would prefer waiting to see what they'll have voted for. |
| Date | 00:16:33, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | The bill is currently still voting, we will wait for the conclusion of this vote before acting. |
| Date | 00:19:35, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | It will pass. |
| Date | 00:20:50, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | They have a majority already so it will get passed. We must act now before it is too late! |
| Date | 12:04:38, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Humanism-Scientism Collusion | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | Well, consult the other states, then. |
| Date | 22:55:51, August 03, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | Consult what? There is only one answer to this! Immediate war! Kill them before they kill us! The Beluzian tax payer has long been savaged and starved by his Communist taxcollecter... all to pay for Rutania's research! We must eliminate foriegn aid, and military equipment sales to the foriegn menace! Give the war profiteer a kick into the fire, we'll burn him along with our government oppressor! The Peoples youth have already been given permission to commence border raids, looting their weapons stockpiles and capturing dancing girls. |
| Date | 23:33:55, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | More dancing girls, Yay! That's what we need in atime of crisis! From now on all Rutanian Dancing Girls are welcome in the fair Republic! HSC: Why? This is an issue for us. Were we not elected to represent our people? Not the foreign countries leaders... WE need to have a clear government policy in how to deal with this situation and WE need to hear the answers from Rutania. The discussing will come after we get a response. |
| Date | 10:13:48, August 04, 2005 CET | From | Humanism-Scientism Collusion | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | In a time of crisis, we feel it's even more important to stick together internationally - it would be possible to work out a trade embargo (which won't work if not ratified by other countries). Trying to take solitary measures could be seen as provocation and backfire on us. We feel "Looking for an international answer" is a clear government policy. |
| Date | 12:58:16, August 04, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | I understand international cooperation but we need to hear from the Rutanians before we jump the gun and start talking to other nations. |
| Date | 22:56:04, August 04, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | "The Federated States of Rutania tried to convince us of their pacifist nature and the PAL always doubted it." I'd like to add that we (the former Government) were pacifists, but the new Govermnent is obviously not. Anyway, the RSDP would like to inform you that we will support putting pressure on the current Government coalition to reconsider their decision to re-arm. And unfortunately I must inform you that I suspect we do have nuclear weapons as a procedure is being worked out on who has the authority to launch them. |
| Date | 22:57:00, August 04, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | OOC: you can find to anti-nuclear weaponry posters on my party's Wiki page. ;-) |
| Date | 22:57:41, August 04, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | *two posters that is. |
| Date | 00:47:23, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | You say we should be pacifists and yet your immediate response to us "RESERVING OUR RIGHT TO DEVELOP WMDs" is to go into a state of war? How hypocritical. |
| Date | 01:55:38, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | Beluzia has certainly *not* gone into a state of war. There were calls to arm the people in Negunia province, which most parties have refused to do. There were calls for military allicens against Rutania, which we have not pursued. There were demands for miltiary action across the border, which have not been taken. Our response has been very restrained. Beluzian citizens are frightened. They have awakened to see a once-peaceful neighhbour launch an arms build-up. All Beluzia has done is asked for the new Rutanian government to speak to us and explain its thinking. Since it did not do so for a period of many months, we have been forced as a precautionary measure to close our territorial waters to Rutanian ships, since we have no way of knowing that they do not carry weapons of mass destruction. Beluzians are not an aggressive people: this is an entirely defensive action. The people of Beluzia are internationalist and pacifist. Yet we cannot ignore it when a country that borders our own decides for no apparent reason, with no external threat, that it may manufacture weapons of mass destruction, without offering a single assurance to the Beluzian people that we will not be attacked. We have not made a single warlike move. All we have taken are two entirely peaceful steps. One, many of our opposition parties have urged Rutania to disarm and return to the ways of peace. Two, we have taken the entirely defensive precaution of closing our waters to Rutanian ships, pending an explanation of the Rutanian policy on WMDs. The Catholic Workers call upon Rutania to clarify their intent with regard to WMDs and relations with their neighbours. We further urge Rutania, in the interests of peace, to declare that it will not build any WMDs. |
| Date | 13:02:57, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | CWM: There were no calls for "alliances against Rutania" - The PAL called for the Beluzian parliament to begin talks with a select number of countries so that we could have some real dependable friends. The fact that there was abiguity as to our relations with Rutania after its WMD build-up re-iterated the importance for foreign allies. |
| Date | 22:20:44, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | ooc: To quote Yes Minister, "press statements are not delivered under oath." It is just possibe that we have over-stated our case for effect ;) |
| Date | 22:53:12, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | OOC: Yes Minister has to be the cleverest comedy I have ever been fortunate enough to see. |
| Date | 11:56:33, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Rutanian Scandal! |
| Message | If this bill passes then Rutania will have to respond in kind by raising our troop numbers in Delvar to similar levels to counter any threat of invasion from Beluzia. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 90 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 137 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 73 |
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