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Bill: Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partisans And Artisans League
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2098
Description[?]:
| We demand you explain! |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:20:31, August 05, 2005 CET | From |   Freedom Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | We demand you respect our sovereignty! |
| Date | 00:21:04, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | We find this infringement of our rights to govern our nation how we see fit to be a gross mistake on your part as you have no right to interfere with the sovereignty of Rutania. We maintain a nuclear deterrant for precisely that reason, its a deterrant, we also hold a deterrant so that should a conflict arise between the Enralonian Empire and the Socialist Commonwealth of New Endralon then we would be able to defend ourselves should the conflict spread to more nations. The holding of nuclear weapons is the right every country has and it is their decision as to whether they want to hold one or not. Nuclear weapons have been proven to be one of the best ways at preventing a full scale war due to the threat of mutually assured destruction. We find your attempts to influence our national policy to be infringing our sovereignty as a nation and assure you that the arming of our nation with nuclear weapons is not an aggressive act but a defensive act, we are ensuring that no nation attacks us. We would fully support you if your nation wanted to maintain a nuclear arsenal as that is YOUR right as a nation to do so. With respects to the Chemical and Biological weapons act, that was to allow research into the area in many fields as under the old law it was banned so we allowed it. In that bill we specifically said "We reserve the right to store those weapons but that we would not do so. Our weapons pose no threat to your nation and we seek that you accept this. We are trying to come together on a use of WMD act that would restrict their use and require both parliamentary approval and HoS approval along with others possibly. We respectfully ask that you open up your waters to Rutanian vessels and not place any more restrictions on the trade of Rutania. Bruce Dickinson Foreign Affairs Minister Federated States of Rutania |
| Date | 00:50:11, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | Not only that but the description of beliefs of the PAL says "The PAL also beliefs in the complete independence of the Beluzian Republic, therefore internationalist organisations have no juristiction over any form of Beluzian policy. The only international bodies that the PAL believes have relevance are unevasive trade organisation as the PAL recognises interdepedence of all nations in a capitalist world." You say no international organisations have any jurisdiction over beluzia and claim complete independence for the beluzian republic yet you are trying to interfere with the independence of Rutania and making threats against us when we have made none against you. You are quite frankly looking for war. |
| Date | 00:50:31, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | And we find that intolerable, we do not want war between our nations. |
| Date | 02:05:45, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | ((ooc: FP, the PAL is known as a party that does not make nice on foreign policy. Please bear in mind that only the NMRP speaks for the government, the rest of us are in opposition, so neither PAL nor me nor any other party has the power to declare war. It's entirely in order for an opposition party to kick and scream, however!)) Nor do we want war. We are however an internationalist party. We do not agree with the PAL that Beluzia's concerns are its own. We think that every country is our business, and we are every other country's business. If there is a nuclear test off the Rutanian coast, it will affect us. If biological elements escape from a Rutanian lab, it will affect us. And there are many people in Beluzia who are afraid that they must be the targeet of Rutania. This may not be rational, but it is a real fear. All people fear WMDs. War and peace issues know no borders. Therefore we feel that it is up to every country reserving its rights on WMDs to discuss the issue with its neighbours. If all of the Artanian continent decided there woudl be o WMDs, then the cause of peace would be advanced. So would the safety and security of each country, including Rutania and including Beluzia. It is for this reason that we urge Rutania to disarm, and we hope that if a future Beluzian government decided to build WMDs, that other countries would urge us to disarm. |
| Date | 02:07:23, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | We have made no infringements upon the sovreignty of the Rutanian parliament and take affront that you do accuse us of doing so. We have merely inquired as to why the Federated States of Rutania have felt the need to once more arm themselves with both Chemical weapons and "Weapons of Mass destruction"; especially when considering only one other nation upon this continent of Artania does hold this right. We would also like to point out the position of the Partisans and Artisans league as a member of Parliament of the Beluzian Republic but not as a member of Government; and therefore they speak upon behalf of themselves and their proportion of the electorate, they do not however represent this government. Thus we also take offence at the suggestion that this Country is "looking for war" as we have made no aggressive moves against the Federated States of Rutania and entered into negotiations for a non-agression pact wholeheartedly. Moreover, until you can provide us with an adequate explanation for your seemingly aggresive policies the Beluzian Republic shall not re-open its' waters to any Rutanian vessels, nor shall we lift our restrictions upon trade. Amber Nerdanel Head of State Beluzian Republic |
| Date | 10:43:59, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | My party description talks about international organisations not anything else. The PAL believes in the sovereignty of the Beluzian Republic and your aggressive moves in the construction of WMDs may affect its sovereignty so we will do all to stop this. International organisations (RL examples EU, UN) are what the PAL stands against - we are not obliged to co-operate internationally and the PAL remains convinced that war is, in some situations, necessary. We therefore suggest that you consider your slanderous words carefully as you countries current policy on WMDs is making you no friends in Beluzia. If you see fit have a military build-up against Beluzia, it is this governments duty to protect its citizens in whatever way it deems necessary. |
| Date | 11:43:06, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | We have no military build up against Beluzia, we have not built any weapons of mass destruction, we have reserved the right to do so. We have said that we will not build chemical and biological weapons in our bill, we said we would not build them but just allow research into vaccines and cures for those types of weapons. We have not built any nuclear weapons but reserve the right to do so. That is our sovereign right as a nation, to do what we deem necessary to protect our nation and its citizens. I repeat that we have no intentions of using such weapons, that we are not seeking a 'military build up' and that we are seeking to implement a 'use of WMD act' that will severly restrict when they can be used and who can order their use. May also remind the government of the Beluzian Republic that at least two other nations on our continent reserve the right to construct all types of WMDs and not just one other and we do not see your government imposing sanctions and making a fuss about them. Both the Dundorf Federation and the Endralonian Empire reserve the right to develop nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. I again ask for the repeal of the ban on Rutanian shipping and ask that you respect the sovereignty of our nation. In future, if you want a response from me i would appreciate a message instead of being informed by the fact that the RSDP starts a vote of no confidence in the government motion. I would like to know who you spoke to in Rutania about the situation as i was not informed that you were taking any action and/or worried about the laws we were implementing. Signed; Gregory Ellis, Federal President Bruce Dickinson, Foreign Minister |
| Date | 12:57:36, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | "vaccines and cures" - what a rediculous suggestion! Do you not think you can look for vaccines and cures without this law being passed? Looking for "vaccines and cures" has nothing to do with a law allowing you to build weapons. The Endralonian Empire is in a state of readiness for war - a slightly different situation from the pacifism that preached at us from the Rutanian government concerning "Non-Aggression". We are particularly worried about you because the Dundorf Federation is not a direct neighbour, however, I'm sure the CWM with its international anti-WMD stance (and possibly other parties) will put pressure on all governments to disarm. Yes I did inform you. No, I didn't tell the RSDP first - I posted a message on the bill "Treaties of Non-Aggression", it just so happened that the RSDP was the first to notice. Maybe you pay more attention to your beloved but apparently worthless treaties... |
| Date | 15:33:35, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | I didnt propose that treaty, i wasnt in the country when that treaty was being debated. |
| Date | 15:44:20, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | Oh so you don't stand for "Non-Aggression" do you? |
| Date | 18:27:41, August 05, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | The Catholic Workers would like to offer our whole-hearted agreement with the measured and statesmanlike words of President Nerdanel. We also remind our Rutanian friends that Beluzia has taken no aggressive measures of any sort. When Lodamun recently voted to "reservice its rights" on WMDs, the government of Baltusia next door mobilized its army, imposed economic sanctions, and threatened war. The government of Lodamun fell over this crisis. That was a harsh response. In contrast, what has Beluzia done? We have expressed our concerns. We have closed our waters. We are considering issuing gas masks to our citizens living in the border region. And for these entirely non-provocative measures, we are vilified? If it is Rutania's sovereign right to build nuclear weapons, then it is Beluzia's sovereign right to close its territorial waters. If it is within the rights of Rutania to request that we open our waters (and this party believes it is), then it is equally within the rights of Beluzia to request that Rutania renounce WMDs or at least pass laws clarifying that the purpose is research only. This is a basic principle of international diplomacy: neighbours may express their concerns to each other and request explanations. |
| Date | 00:43:53, August 06, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | "Oh so you don't stand for "Non-Aggression" do you?" You're just trying to stir up trouble, arent you? |
| Date | 11:20:48, August 06, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | The RSDP expresses its hopes that, with the two bills current in the Federal Parliament (the one saying that Rutania will never use nuclear weapons in a first strike, the other saying that Rutania will never construct, store or purchase chemical or biological weaponry for military purposes and that it will never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare), that the Beluzian Republic will reconsider the measures taken against the Federated States of Rutania. |
| Date | 12:42:01, August 06, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | Bruce Dickinson, the Foreign Minister, also hopes that with the measures that the Freedom Party has taken with the new options available and the fact that those measures were always our position on the issue, that the Beluzian Republic would lift its sanctions against us. Otherwise similar sanctions will be imposed upon the trade of the Beluzian Republic. |
| Date | 05:52:04, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | An odd statement, since Rutania has already imposed sanctions on us with the full support of its foreign minister. http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=12391 |
| Date | 21:55:34, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | We voted for that when we saw no attempt to lift the sanctions imposed upon us by any of the parties in the beluzian republic |
| Date | 20:10:22, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | There was an attempt, posted in your debate. |
| Date | 20:47:43, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | I apologise. I did not see that. Hopefully the agreement we are working on will lead to peace and a removal of sanctions |
| Date | 14:22:33, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | LIP: No, I'm just trying to uncover the dark secret plans of your evil regime! |
| Date | 23:25:52, August 14, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | PAL: Can you remove this? It is a bit redundant now. |
| Date | 22:21:58, August 18, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | Beluzian Conservative Party; Its a bit silly to vote for this when i am the founder of the World Capitalist Alliance and you are a candidate member. |
| Date | 23:11:50, August 18, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Forum for the Rutanian Situation - Excuses/Allegations/Taunts/Apologies Welcome |
| Message | FP can we have that threat in writing? |
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