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Bill: Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa
Details
Submitted by[?]: Catholic Workers Movement
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2093
Description[?]:
| Whereas Rutania is renouncing weapons of mass destruction after a campaign of people power by Rutanian protesters (http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1576&mforum=particracy), and Whereas Rutania is now considering a bill to renounce the use of chemical weapons (http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=12326), Resolved that Beluzian waters will be opened to Rutanian ships on the passage of that bill, subject to a pledge by Rutania not to transport weapons of mass destruction through our waters. If the Beluzian embargo act currrently in voting in Rutania (http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=12391) passes, then our bill will only take effect subject to their repeal of their own law. Further resolved that we will propose a demilitarized zone on both sides of the Beluzian-Rutanian border, and Further resolved that the President and foreign minister, when one is appointed, are empowered to hold talks with Rutania on further confidence-building measures. And finally, resolved that Parliament signs the Treaty of Calpicosa with the government of the Federated States of Rutania: "Both nations shall remove restrictions on trade and ships passing through their waters. Beluzia recognises that Rutania will has pledged it will not use nuclear weapons first and would only use them in response to an attack from a foreign power. Rutania agrees to never transport WMDs through Beluzian waters. Beluzia, should it ever possess WMDs agrees not to transport them through Rutanian waters. Both nations agree not to store or possess chemical and biological weapons and agree that research into them is allowed. Both nations maintain they will never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare." |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:06:46, August 06, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | I for one support this movement. Your party seems to take sensible steps, and not paranoid ones like the PAL. As MInister for Justice, I give you my full support for this bill. However, we are not renouncing WMDs; that is just the Rutanian Social Democrats view |
| Date | 21:16:28, August 06, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | I should like to draw all your attentions to this bill: http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=11945 It clearly states that nuclear weaponry shall only be used in a RETALIATORY strike should Rutania be attacked first. I believe the same goes for chemical weapons, if they are not banned alltogether. There was never any need for aggressive acts and mass paranoia like thatb shown by the PAL to the Rutanian government. |
| Date | 21:22:03, August 06, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | I withdraw my statements about the PAL |
| Date | 23:20:50, August 06, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | "that is just the Rutanian Social Democrats view" Seeing the effects of our call for civil disobedience, that's the view of a large portion of the population. |
| Date | 05:39:03, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | GRP, the very fact that you are debating how to use nuclear weapons has alarmed some people in this country. Many of them flocked to the PAL banner because they were frightened by that sort of talk. This is not intended as acrimony, but to explain the justifiable fear many Beluzians felt. The popular wave of protest has reassured many of us that Rutanians are still a peace-loving people, however, and we welcome the new legislation on biological and chemical weapons your government has introduced. This bill would require some steps to be taken by Rutania as well. We hope in due course to be informed whether those are steps the Rutanian government is willing to take. |
| Date | 12:14:01, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | "If the Beluzian embargo act currrently in voting in Rutania (http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=12391) passes, then our bill will only take effect subject to their repeal of their own law." The bill doesnt need to be repealed, as section 4) states that it only applies so long as you refuse to accept our right to own WMDs, and until you unban us from your own waters. |
| Date | 12:17:41, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | "Seeing the effects of our call for civil disobedience, that's the view of a large portion of the population." [OOC: Look - that only happened because you made up some compeletely unrealistic amount of people to support you and you decided upon it unilaterally without consulting anyone else in Rutania for their OOC views. Considering that all of the currently largest parties have voted in favour of nuclear weapons in the past, I dont think that the "people" actually did what you claim, nor do I believe that they hold the views you think they do.] And "This is not intended as acrimony, but to explain the justifiable fear many Beluzians felt" Since we, until now, have never been hostile at all and we were actually signing a NAP with you, why ON EARTH did you think we would just turn around and nuke you? Or push WMDs through your waters for no reason whatsoever? I find it sad that people in Beluzia cant see that it was just PAL whipping up hysteria out of nothing at all. |
| Date | 13:18:59, August 07, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | "[OOC: Look - that only happened because you made up some compeletely unrealistic amount of people to support you and you decided upon it unilaterally without consulting anyone else in Rutania for their OOC views. Considering that all of the currently largest parties have voted in favour of nuclear weapons in the past, I dont think that the "people" actually did what you claim, nor do I believe that they hold the views you think they do.]" It's true that perhaps not that many people support my party, but they did on this issue. My party was the only party against WMDs, but a large part of the population was also against it. The nuclear weaponry opinions polls indicate that always about half of the population is against them, yet my party was the only one against them in Parliament, so it's not a big surprise a large part of the population answered our call for a campaign against WMDs. They didn't vote in favour of you for you policy towards WMDs, always keep that in mind. A Parliament does not always represent the people's will on all issues. I can recall enough occassions when a majority of the people in an opinion poll said "We want it this way", yet a Parliamentary majority voted otherwise claiming to "represent their voters". |
| Date | 14:41:15, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=12323 I don't know about the GRP position but from LIP comments in this bill it is clear that war had been thought of. |
| Date | 14:41:56, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Yes we want a DMZ 5 miles wide and full of mines |
| Date | 14:44:58, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | We cannot trust the oppressive Ruts until maybe the RSDP comes into power! We must protect our children, rolling hills, beautiful coastline, picturesque villages, crystal-clear streams and 3 feet lepricorns! |
| Date | 18:28:05, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | It will be up to the Beluzian government to decide how to respond here. The Rutanian act embargoing us passed with the support of the Freedom Party and the LIP despite a request from the GRP not oppose it. That embargo act stated: "This act is to remain in force until the Beluzian government makes a clear statement saying that they respect our right to use WMDs to defend ourselves, and that they withdraw their ban upon Rutanian vessels entering Beluzian waters." We are now discussing ending the shipping ban. And a final decision on the WMD question is up to the Beluzian government, once one is formed. However, the Catholic Workers will oppose any declaration that we recnognize Rutania's right to use WMDs. We are very happy that sensisble heads in Rutania have prevailed and that there will soon be laws preventing the use of biological and chemical weapons. But the Catholic Workers will never support a declaration that gives any state the right to use WMDs under any circumstances. They are barbaric weapons, and we will oppose their use in all circumstances. Our suggested compromise is that both sides end their sanctions against the other. We will end our campaign against Rutanian nuclear weapons, accepting the compromise worked out by Rutanian parties. Rutania must promise it will not transport WMDs through our waters. Our impression is that the GRP finds this aceptable, but the LIP wants us to make some sort of declaration endorsing their position. This party, for one, cannot support that. We had a right to express our concerns, as the President of the Beluzian Republic did in a declaration to the world. We can accept that our concerns have been addressed now, and express our thanks to Rutanian parties that addressed those concerns. However we cannot accept making some declaration of allegiance to Rutanian "rights" which we do not agree with. The LIP asks the PAL to stop making demands. We ask the LIP to also stop making demands upon Beluzia. |
| Date | 19:49:39, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Because the LIp are now in charge of Rutania their loose-tongued comments (see link above) are of serious importance. |
| Date | 19:52:52, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | The Grand Republican Party would like to apologies on behalf of itself for any antagonism that it may have caused through aggressive patriotism. We hope that this can be ended soon with the lifting of both resolutions and bringing peace to our two countries |
| Date | 19:54:50, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Despite the antagonism of the PAL party, the GRP hopes that this unfortunate situation will soon come to an end. |
| Date | 19:55:30, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | "Because the LIp are now in charge of Rutania their loose-tongued comments (see link above) are of serious importance." Dont worry, I have little interest in discussing anything with you. In my newly proposed cabinet, the Freedom Party shall be given the position of Foreign Secretary. |
| Date | 19:56:11, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Despite the antagonism of the PAL party, the GRP hopes that this unfortunate situation will soon come to an end. |
| Date | 19:57:17, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | I have doubts as to the authentisity (spelling ???) of some of the Rutanian parties to lasting peace so I will continue my cautious approach however it seems clear that the GRP are either commited to peace or are fantastic liars - both of these positions being acceptable to the PAL ;-) |
| Date | 20:05:42, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | The GRP will not comment on the remarks of the PAL as we have no faith in the PAL; however, we are commited to peace, and always have been, despite some parties belief to the otherwise. We wish for peace with Beluzia. |
| Date | 20:18:18, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | "I have doubts as to the authentisity (spelling ???) of some of the Rutanian parties to lasting peace so I will continue my cautious approach however it seems clear that the GRP are either commited to peace or are fantastic liars - both of these positions being acceptable to the PAL ;-)" We are not committed to peace in the sense that there is no war and so logically we cant be committed to peace. :rolleyes: |
| Date | 20:27:00, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | The GRP will not comment on the remarks of the PAL as we have no faith in the PAL; however, we are commited to peace, and always have been, despite some parties belief to the otherwise. We wish for peace with Beluzia. |
| Date | 21:40:06, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | We wish to thank the GRP for its statesmanship in this matter. As a point of information, we have entitled the bill "steps towards peace" because there is a state of cold war and economic embargo in place. We are hoping that paece can be more than simply the absence of war. |
| Date | 22:06:26, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | I apologise that i as Foreign Minister did not see this earlier [OOC: Real life is a bitch aint it ;)]. We also hope for a peaceful resolution with a permanent peace with the Beluzian Republic. We propose something along the lines of this. "Both nations shall remove restrictions on trade and ships passing through their waters. Beluzia recognises that Rutania will reserve its right to possess, develop and construct nuclear weapons, on the understanding that Rutania maintains its law that it will not use nuclear weapons first and would only use them in response to an attack from a foreign power. Rutania agrees to never transport WMDs through Beluzian waters. Beluzia, should it ever possess WMDs agrees not to transport them through Rutanian waters. Rutania recognises that Beluzia has the right, should it so wish to, develop, construct and store nuclear weapons Both nations agree not to store or possess chemical and biological weapons and agree that research into them is allowed. Both nations maintain they will never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare." Bruce Dickinson, Freedom Party Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 22:34:20, August 07, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Let the foriegn menace feel out jackboots across their yellow backsides! Kill them before they can kill us! We must invade Rutania IMMEDIATELY and put those weapons in the hands of those we can trust... like the Peoples Youth attic and armchair experimental ammunition production squad! |
| Date | 22:57:09, August 07, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | "Your militia or whatever it is steps one foot inside the Rutanian border and they will meet fierce resistance from the Rutanian Army and Air Force until you cross back over the border, if the milita survives the defense that is. ;)" Horatio Nelson, Freedom Party Current Defense Minister of Rutania (not for long though) |
| Date | 01:01:07, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | The Peoples Youth squad is not even a militia they are a paramilitary terrorist wing of the Peoples Populist Party. Therefore if you wish to blow them up please do so saves our police force the task of hunting them down and arresting them. Daniel Frost, Internal affairs minister (at the minute) |
| Date | 01:52:20, August 08, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | The only thing we're blowing up is Rutanian pride, every time we savage their pastures and harry their munitions stockpiles! Don't be decieved by your Communist Beluzian lapdogs, craven Rutania! The Peoples Populist Party is only the feeble political wing of the vast Peoples Populist militia! Prepare to be disrupted, the Peoples youth bullhorn and tazerbaton attitude readjustment squad is marching your way! |
| Date | 01:53:24, August 08, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Peace is for sucks! |
| Date | 05:33:23, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | The Freedom Party's draft is a solid one, but this party for one does not support any references to either side recognizing the other's "rights" to WMDs. We suggest a slightly revised wording: "Both nations shall remove restrictions on trade and ships passing through their waters. Beluzia recognises that Rutania will has pledged it will not use nuclear weapons first and would only use them in response to an attack from a foreign power. Rutania agrees to never transport WMDs through Beluzian waters. Beluzia, should it ever possess WMDs agrees not to transport them through Rutanian waters. Both nations agree not to store or possess chemical and biological weapons and agree that research into them is allowed. Both nations maintain they will never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare." Of course, it will be up to the Beluzian government, once one is formed, to make any agreement. |
| Date | 12:27:49, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Yes but if they have WMDs (and this is why we started this argument) then we cannot lift the sanctions can we? |
| Date | 17:43:04, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | "Yes but if they have WMDs (and this is why we started this argument) then we cannot lift the sanctions can we?" I dont think there is much real possibility of Rutania relinquisihing her sovereign right to a nuclear deterrent. |
| Date | 20:08:54, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | It's true we started our measures because Rutania might obtain WMDs. They have now (or will soon, hen the bill gets approved) eliminated chemcial and biological weapons and made a no-first use pledge. The qustion is: will we settle for that? We as a party are inclined to do so. If we don't, then for the sake of consistency Beluzia must also close our waters to other nuclear states, such as Endralon and even Darnussia. This is not a step to be taken lightly. |
| Date | 20:45:39, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Bruce Dickinson replies "I can settle for the revised draft that the CWM has proposed" |
| Date | 21:05:41, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | I too hope that the PAL can see sense and accept this bill. The GRP wishes for peace between our two great nations. |
| Date | 23:38:17, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | I have submitted it to our parliament provisionally. I have also called it the Treaty of Calpicosa. |
| Date | 04:00:43, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Added to the bill description. Any further comments before this is moved to a vote? |
| Date | 11:42:16, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Greetings all. Did you miss me? *silence* Oh it looks like you have continued along the appeasement and monotonous internationalism in my absence. Fun times. Well the PAL might see sense but its highly unlikely... |
| Date | 12:26:29, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | We will be moving this to vote in our country. We look forward to good relations with the Beluzian Republic and a continuance of free trade. |
| Date | 15:19:54, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | We as current head of state view this treaty as a good step back towards making our relationship with Rutania a healthy one once again and congratulate the CWM and the parties of Rutania for creating this treaty. Amber Nerdanel President Beluzian Republic |
| Date | 15:37:49, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | The SLP supports the peace initiative. |
| Date | 20:22:42, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | ((Welcome back PAL -- but you logged in enough that it never felt like you were gone!)) |
| Date | 20:25:41, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Yeah I just found out that you keep your broadband for a few days then it is cancelled then it s reinstalled so this will probably be my last day before I have to start using library comps... |
| Date | 22:45:59, August 09, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | (I repeat) Peace is for sucks! |
| Date | 12:30:18, August 10, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | So...does this mean no peace between our countries, even though we've ratified and passed our Treaty? Nice one PAL... |
| Date | 14:11:13, August 10, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | We have to hope that the Neo Marxists and the HSC log on to vote for it. Or thr RHM votes for it. |
| Date | 21:27:47, August 10, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Hurrah! Peace at last! Let us hope this ushers in a new, peaceful error for our two countries. |
| Date | 22:00:20, August 10, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Dont be too happy too soon, if the HSC votes, their vote is crucial as they could swing it to the naysayers |
| Date | 22:31:45, August 10, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | If HSC votes at all, I doubt they shall vote against peace. |
| Date | 03:06:45, August 11, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Hey, did you guys hear me earlier? |
| Date | 10:39:23, August 11, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Despite the best efforts of the Partisans and Artitsans League and allies, peace has prevailed. Well dont Beluzia! May you vote for PAL less in future. |
| Date | 19:04:21, August 11, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Steps towards peace with Rutania: Treaty of Calpicosa |
| Message | Huzzah! The Grand Republican Party wishes to congratulate the parties that voted for peace. The GRP hopes that this will lead to a period of prosperity and peace between our two great nations, and the demise of the more war-mongering parties. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 143 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 97 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 60 |
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