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Bill: Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban
Details
Submitted by[?]: Progressive Evolution Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2038
Description[?]:
| RECOGNIZING the immense human suffering and loss of life that nuclear weapons use could cause; UNDERSTANDING that the supposed effectiveness of deterrence derived from nuclear weapons is gained only by the threat of potential use of such devices; UNDESIROUS of bearing the responsibility or stigma of possession with the intent to use when necessary, nor the attendant implications of the ultimate power that the state would hold over life and death; REENFORCING the international call against nuclear use and possession due to its attendant moral implications; this body heretoafter declares that neither development of nuclear arsenals nor the acquisition or storage of same shall be undertaken, funded, supported, or otherwise facilitated by the Democratic Republic of Ikradon. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Proposed: The nation shall never develop, produce or store nuclear weaponry.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
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From |  Progressive Pragmatists | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | Why should our nation not reserve the right to develop and store nuclear weaponry? Nuclear weapons are the only military deterent against WMD's being used against our nation by opposing States. You are all familar with M.A.D.. The problem with this bill is that other countires are free to develpe them at their liesure, why should we tie our hands behind our backs and expect others to do the same?... |
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From | Progressive Evolution Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | Why we should not develop the weapons is listed time and again throughout the bill. MAD just assures nuclear brinkmanship. Moreover, being landlocked, we'd have to be attacked from someone in the near vicinity. Additionally, you DARE advocate that this country should retain weapons that take countless civilian casualties without remorse? How unethical! If you think countries will attack us with nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction, then that makes you a fool. The moral stigma attached to WMD use against the unarmed is too great, and they would never dare do such a thing. No, if we face other countries, it will be on conventional grounds. That is why we cannot and should not stomach these tools of evil. Read the warrants of the bill if you need further convincing. (That or read Jonathan Shell if you seriously believe any of that tripe you just spit out.) |
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From | Progressive Pragmatists | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | How dare you call my Party a fool! MAD works, the world has never had a single nuclear war! And yes I advocate weapons that take countless civilion lives because those weapons protect our Nation, I do not however advocate any use except in self defense from an opposing States WMD attack! Furthermore retaining the right to build these weapons does not mean we will, thats what you fail to realize! If we face no WMD threat from our naybors then there will be no need to build them (ultimatly the decision to build them awaits the military and buget elements of the game). And how do you know that the States around us pose no threat? And how do you know what other countries will do during a war? There an old quote I once heard, "nuclear weapons are useless except as deterence against other nuclear weapons". It is against all common sense for our Nation to give up deterence! |
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From | Progressive Evolution Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | "We can still have doomsday devices and giant space lasers, right?" Actually, it appears like we can still have biological and chemical weapons too, according to the options here. And I hope the player behind the supposed secular "democrats" doesn't actually believe any of that... because it's the kind of nuclearist rhetoric that sanctions and approves of the few ruling elite's power over life and death. Support the impotence if you will, but that will be your own mistake, not mine. |
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From | Progressive Evolution Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | The only party to sell out this country's future is the undemocratic ruling elite that hold the reins of the ITC and the executive board of this country. The ITC had a chance to secure an ideological ally in the PEP and failed to do so. As it stands, they will now be left to form a loose coalition with the SDP at best. Here's hoping the two parties can't secure 33% of the vote totals, as incompetent voices from the ITC need be silenced by a forward-thinking populous. |
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From | Progressive Pragmatists | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | What is the PEP talking about!?! Do they always rant like this? If the PEP could insure a nuclear free world then no one would be in more favor of the destruction of these weapons then me! But the PEP cannot insure a world in which all States remain nuclear free! There lies the problem and the reason for our opposition to this bill! |
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From | New Democratic Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | We were half-joking in order to point out that nuclear disarmanent doesn't necessarily mean we would be defenceless. Other, arguably more destructive weapons remain at our disposal. However, we do not like nukes on the grounds that if deployed, they affect mainly civillians rather than military buildings. We therefore vote YES. |
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From | Progressive Pragmatists | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | True, but there are no other weapons were the dustruction is so complete, swift and total! There are no other weapons were the only defense against is the threat of a retalation that is just as complete, swift and total! Having these weapons will insure the protection of our State and its people! No one can govern wath other countries choose to do concerning this same issue! |
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From | Progressive Evolution Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | So the Secular Democrats claim, "True, but there are no other weapons were the dustruction is so complete, swift and total!" And you want our government to be at the reigns of these? In all your presumptuousness, who in our nation do you think is capable of making a call to use such tools of utter carnage? How can we sanction such ultimate power over life and death in the hands of a few or even one person in this democratic republic? No one is ready for this kind of responsibility. And again, your fears of nuclear use against this republic are overblown. If we utilize sensible foreign policy, then we have nothing to fear. If nothing else, then we can seek refuge under the nuclear umbrella of some protectorate state, but we should NOT be the ones to remain arbiters over such power. |
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From | Progressive Pragmatists | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | Why should we not be the arbiters of such power? Our party for one is not about to have another Nation have power over us, even if it is of a protective nature. Your party cannot escape the fact that this bill will leave us hostage to the decisions of other States. Also retaining the right to develop and store nuclear weapons does not mean we will actualy build any, that is a different decision. We should however retain our right to develop them in the event we need them. By the way, one of the Nations bordering us, the Kundrati Union, is keeping its right to build nuclear weapons, and the Nation is controled by Religious Fundementialists. Should they choose to develop them we will have no deterent! I plead for sanity, unilateralist disarmament fails to make the world safer and leaves our State vulnerable... |
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From | Progressive Evolution Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Storage and Development Ban | | Message | There is no credible threat to this republic in existence. The Secular Democrats' plea falls on deaf ears. The PEP can only hope you'd rally half as hard for diplomatic solutions to any international conflagrations as you do for the possession of tools of mass slaughter. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 67 |
| no | Total Seats: 33 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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