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Bill: Self-Sufficient Refugee Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Populist Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2102
Description[?]:
| Whereas, we currently open our borders to refugees of all sorts, And whereas, refugees are, by definition, fleeing bad conditions and we therefore would not desire to close these borders, But whereas, we would like to have as few immigrants of any sort who need government aid, such that we can have strong government programs for Ikraonis, while providing refugees with aid encourages those who might want to take advantage of the generosity we have toward our own citizens, We hereby propose that Ikradon continue to accept refugees freely, but provide them with no aid. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national refugee policy.
Old value:: All refugees are welcome, regardless of their reason, and given aid in integrating them into the country.
Current: All refugees are welcome but no financial aid is given to them.
Proposed: All refugees are welcome but no financial aid is given to them.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:14:10, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Neoretropostmodernist Party | To | Debating the Self-Sufficient Refugee Act |
| Message | The Neoretropostmodernist Caucus is currently split on the issue. While many hold that we should give refugees a helping hand in establishing themselves in a new nation, others are afraid that such policies will encourage more refugees to come to Ikradon than we can properly handle. We will worthhold any decision on our voting stance until we have heard the opinions of the other parties. |
| Date | 21:54:37, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Underappreciated Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Self-Sufficient Refugee Act |
| Message | The Underappreciated Party opposes this measure. We believe that as long as our borders remain open, and as long as Ikradoni citizenship is so easily obtained we must support refugees as much as possible to allow proper integration and prevent the problems associated with a "split society." We don't want refugees to be forced into criminal activity to support themselves. |
| Date | 21:56:50, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Freedom and Solidarity Alliance | To | Debating the Self-Sufficient Refugee Act |
| Message | While treating refugees decently might attract greater numbers of them, it also ensure that they will integrate in our society and become productive and law-abiding citizens. Risking keeping in misery people who are already uprooted and fleeing dramatic situations seems like a sure way to turn them in a poor, crime-infested community, to the great loss of Ikradonian society. The current legislation was put in place at the initiative of the FSA's parent party, the Freedom Party, and it remains one of the achievements we are most proud off. Count on us to vote no. |
| Date | 22:14:59, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the Self-Sufficient Refugee Act |
| Message | We note with sorrow the desire by some to allow people to effectively, if they so desire, come to Ikradon for the purpose of receiving aid. We also feel it is inconsistent for the FSA to believe in self-sufficiency and responsibility-- except for immigrants who are not expected to be self-sufficient and personally responsible, at least for a while. The PLP prefers to put the welfare of the citizens of our country first. |
| Date | 23:19:18, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Freedom and Solidarity Alliance | To | Debating the Self-Sufficient Refugee Act |
| Message | The current law clearly applies to refugees, which by definition are fleeing their own countries for reasons other than economic. As for self-sufficiency and responsibility, they are clearly principles which we value highly, but we are not ideological enough to believe that they should be applied blindly. Just like we believe in having the state finance healthcare or education for Ikradonians who cannot afford it or financially support unemployed who are actively looking for work, we believe it makes sense to give "starting aid" to people as desperately in need of it as refugees. As for the PLP's last statement, the FSA sees people as people first and as Ikradonians or foreigners second. Furthermore, we do not believe that letting refugees turn into a crime-ridden underclass would help secure the welfare of our citizens anyway. |
| Date | 23:49:26, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the Self-Sufficient Refugee Act |
| Message | The PLP believes we are here to represent the citizens of Ikradon and act in their benefit. While in certain matters, such as foreign aid, we believe the principle can be compromised. However, we do not support the position that we should care about foreigners to the same degree as the citizens we are elected to represent. The lack of aid to refugees is a good guarantee that any who come to us are coming to us due to severe conditions in their home country rather than for any other reason. |
| Date | 05:27:15, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Underappreciated Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Self-Sufficient Refugee Act |
| Message | The Underappreciated Party would like to remind everyone here of the national motto of the Democratic Republic of Ikradon "Cives mundi quicquid necesse est merent ." Have we forgotten our national character? While we can't go about saving the world, once someone comes within our borders we become responsible for them, they are citizens of the world, and they deserve whatever is needed. ---Robert Hedberg, Chief Legislator of the Underappreciated Party |
| Date | 07:14:25, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the Self-Sufficient Refugee Act |
| Message | The PLP would remind the UPI that refugees can still get a subsistence level of income for a period of time under our welfare law. They need to pass a test to become nationals; but once they pass it, they receive the same welfare any other national can receive. The PLP has a problem with the placing of foreigners higher than Ikradonis-- whom, we should not forget, are our constituents. |
| Date | 07:16:33, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Evolution Party | To | Debating the Self-Sufficient Refugee Act |
| Message | What's the point of them taking a refuge in a place where they will have nothing? Utter nonsense. |
| Date | 07:28:03, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the Self-Sufficient Refugee Act |
| Message | If they are truly fleeing an oppressive regime where they are also poor, they are still far better off under a non-oppressive regime regardless of their economic circumstance. They also will not have nothing, as they can enroll in the national welfare program just as easily as any Ikradoni. To say that they deserve more than a poor Ikradoni places their welfare ahead of that of our own citizens. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 10 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 399 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 20 |
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