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Bill: Greater School Choice II
Details
Submitted by[?]: Neoretropostmodernist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2104
Description[?]:
| Parents should have the freedom to send their children to religious schools or home schools if they see fit. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Education for children under adult age.
Old value:: Education is compulsory and has to happen at school.
Current: Education is compulsory, but home schooling is permitted.
Proposed: Education is compulsory, but home schooling is permitted.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Religious schools are not allowed.
Current: Only recognised religions may set up religious schools, with no regulations.
Proposed: Any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Current: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:24:52, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Freedom and Solidarity Alliance | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | We agree with this bill, expect for one thing: the mention made in article 2 of "recognised religions". We are deeply wary of having the state keep a list of religions deemed more "legal" than others. If the current wording is maintained, we will likely vote for but with a second bill introduced to correct that as soon as possible. |
| Date | 23:47:44, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Lyika ati Isọdọtun | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | We have the same problem with this bill that the FSA does. |
| Date | 00:12:17, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Neoretropostmodernist Party | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | Sorry, I should have explained. The reason we felt it necessary to include "recognised religions" was to keep dangerous cults from setting up indoctrination centers and calling them schools. We hold that we took an appropriate cautionary step. A clause can be added saying what constitutes a recognized religion such that all religions are automatically recognized and will only lose such status if found to be taken part in illegal activities. If this is not satisfactory, we'll change the bill. |
| Date | 00:56:46, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | We opposed the child abuse that is religious indoctination before, and remain firm on that issue. Home schooling is particularly awful because while some home-schooled children do just fine, others get a vastly inferior education. We are for the rights of children to a good education well over and above the parents' rights to indoctrinate them. And the desire of some parties to allow cults to indoctrinate kids is even more distrubing to us. |
| Date | 01:24:06, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Neoretropostmodernist Party | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | The FSA and FFP have valid oppositions to the proposed idea of "recognized religions" as it could easily be used as a tool of persecution. Also, the PLP opposition to home schooling is true of any form of schooling. |
| Date | 04:07:49, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | We can enforce standards on public schools, charter schools, secular private schools, and even religious schools. Home schooling is pretty much unregulated. It's also the most likely form of schooling to be horribly inadequate. This is not to say that it always is, just that it can be. As to religious schools, one thing that intensified our opposition to them was recently reading about how awful it was to a high schooler who had made up his mind that he was an atheist and yet was forced into religious high schools, largely because his parents wanted to force him to accept their belief system. After reading that, we believe that religious schools are for some children a form of child abuse, even more so if they teach creationism or go against other scientific knowledge. Home schooling, of course, is again worse in this regard, as it's possible to have regulations to force religious schools to teach what is scientifically accepted, but not possible to do the same with home schooling. |
| Date | 06:53:23, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Freedom and Solidarity Alliance | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | > The reason we felt it necessary to include "recognised religions" was to keep dangerous cults from setting up indoctrination centers and calling them schools. The FSA feels that the solution to that is strict regulations on how the school should be run, not on what kind of religions can set one up; for that matter, "traditional" religions can setup such indoctrination centres as well. We could vote for this bill with a much freer mind if that change was made. |
| Date | 07:11:56, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Underappreciated Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | Home Schooling does not have to go unregulated. The legal status of a homeschool is essentially the same as that of a very small private school. Students can be given diagnostic tests by the state to determine if continued home schooling is being detrimental to the student and action can be taken accordingly. This belief that home schooling can't be regulated is insulting to the competency of this nation and its people. All the measures in this bill have long been supported by the UPI. Clearly we will support it. |
| Date | 10:05:16, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Neoretropostmodernist Party | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | Article 2 has been changed. |
| Date | 16:35:42, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Lyika ati Isọdọtun | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | With the changes, we'll now support this bill completely. |
| Date | 18:42:09, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Freedom and Solidarity Alliance | To | Debating the Greater School Choice II |
| Message | So will we. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 322 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 188 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 89 |
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| Random quote: "It is never too late to give up our prejudices." - Henry David Thoreau |