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Bill: New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Folks Revolusjonær Kommunistiske Parti
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2591
Description[?]:
| We personally feel a new flag and anthem should help bring our nation into the 27th century. Little about the flag: It has the same colors as our current flag (plus white) and in the center is the symbol of our current flag. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The lyrics of the national anthem.
Old value:: Å stort Kazulia! Nå i frihet, Å stort Kazulia! Pass på, fiendene våre, Sorgen deres er nær, Å stort Kazulia Med glimt og fyr, regnende av himmlen, vi skal avslutte dem, som små, skittene marker Å stort Kazulia! Våre uvenner har gått ned, Derens død fryder oss, Men la dem lide først, For de har vært så stygg, For å rope vårt mektigt land til krigen! Å stort Kazulia, nå vile igjen, til den neste kampen raser, og sove i fred, Å stort Kazulia!
Current:
| God bless our good country! Bless her with strength and courage bless home and castle! Guide her with your Spirit, forge with your strong Hand holy bonds of allegiance around people and country! Loudly pledge citizens of Kazulia each in their calling, their station, loyalty to their country. Loyal in life and death, courageous in war and distress, always our people obeyed God and their country |
Proposed:
| Du gamla, Du fria, Du fjällhöga nord Du tysta, Du glädjerika sköna! Jag hälsar Dig, vänaste land uppå jord, Din sol, Din himmel, Dina ängder gröna. Du tronar på minnen från fornstora dar, då ärat Ditt namn flög över jorden. Jag vet att Du är och Du blir vad Du var. Ja, jag vill leva jag vill dö i Norden. Jag städs vill dig tjäna mitt älskade land, din trohet till döden vill jag svära. Din rätt, skall jag värna, med håg och med hand, din fana, högt den bragderika bära. Med envar skall jag kämpa, för hem och för härd, för Kazulia, den kära fosterjorden. Jag byter Dig ej, mot allt i en värld Nej, jag vill leva jag vill dö i Norden. |
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7706/kazuliasmallvu2.png
Current: https://i.ibb.co/2NPdtNq/Kazulia-new-flag.png
Proposed: http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/2162/posflag3rg9.png
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:46:49, June 12, 2008 CET | From |  Folks Revolusjonær Kommunistiske Parti | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | Any thoughts? |
| Date | 11:08:23, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | The flag is nice, but could you post the English translation of that anthem here? I punched it into a Norwegian online translator and it could understand about half of it. |
| Date | 15:33:28, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Folks Revolusjonær Kommunistiske Parti | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | That's because it's swedish. :-p |
| Date | 15:35:59, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Folks Revolusjonær Kommunistiske Parti | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | You ancient, you free, you mountainous North You quiet, you joyful beauty! I greet you, most beautiful land upon earth, Your sun, Your sky, Your meadows green. You throne upon memories of great olden days, When honoured your name flew over the world, I know that you are and will be as you were, Yes, I want to live I want to die in the North. I forever will serve my beloved country, your faith until death will I swear, Your right will I protect with mind and with hand, your banner, great the feats it carries. With everyone shall I fight, for home and for hearth, for Kazulia, the dear motherland. I trade You not, for anything in the world No, I want to live I want to die in the North. |
| Date | 16:41:25, June 12, 2008 CET | From | (NWO) Saiserist Förening | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | I like it. It could be a bit more violent, or mention more about the workers of Kazulia, but I like it. |
| Date | 17:34:34, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Kazulias Nasjonal Sosialistisk Parti | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | I like the flag a lot, we'll support this proposal. |
| Date | 17:36:34, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Folks Revolusjonær Kommunistiske Parti | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | THanks mate. Designed it myself. :-) |
| Date | 21:33:05, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Nasjonal Front | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | Not keen on the flag, sorry. A bit dull. =| I would like to design something more dramatic, I may submit a proposal soon. |
| Date | 21:34:57, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Folks Revolusjonær Kommunistiske Parti | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | Well it has to be a nation's flag, not a flag of a warband. |
| Date | 08:32:08, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | The current flag actually looks much better since it is similar to RL Scandinavian nations. |
| Date | 16:01:40, June 13, 2008 CET | From | (NWO) Saiserist Förening | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | That's actually the problem. We have a Scandinavian culture, but it reflects very badly on our creativity that we've picked a duplicate of the Scandinavian cross. It is my understanding that in Particracy nations have cultures along RL lines but they also need to strive for indivudality and avoid meekly toeing the RL line. Case-in-point, Trigunia has an intensely Russian culture, but their flag is uniquely individual, not a copy or a tweak of Russian flags or symbols. |
| Date | 18:13:46, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | There is no specific design for those other cultures. The tricolour design is used widely throughout the world that it's not specifically "Russian" or, say, "French". The Scandinavian countries follow a design specific and unique to them. |
| Date | 18:22:18, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Folks Revolusjonær Kommunistiske Parti | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | But why should we specifically have to follow that design? After all, in this "world" the Scandinavian countries don't exist. |
| Date | 19:14:01, June 13, 2008 CET | From | (NWO) Saiserist Förening | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | Exactly. And, following up from my previous example, I could say the same for Jelbania and Rildanor. Deltaria does not use the Yugoslav flag or a direct derivative thereof. As it stands, I would say our current flag is among the least-creative in Particracy. |
| Date | 21:53:50, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | I dont know, I like the current colour scheme. |
| Date | 22:04:49, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Folks Revolusjonær Kommunistiske Parti | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | As do I, that's why I kept it in that new design I made. |
| Date | 22:31:36, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | White isn't part of the colour scheme. |
| Date | 22:33:02, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Folks Revolusjonær Kommunistiske Parti | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | Ugh, big whoop. |
| Date | 01:44:17, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Anarkistisk Føderation | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | I like the flag and the anthem and i vote yes here becourse we in this game need a flag and anthem but if this had been real life i had voted no to this old nationalistic tradition.... |
| Date | 04:28:06, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Demokratisk Pacifist Partiet | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | I like the flag, although I have no idea what the old anthem says in English so I can't say if I like the new anthem more or less. |
| Date | 05:34:49, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | Really? Am I the only one that likes the current flag?! |
| Date | 05:40:15, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Folks Revolusjonær Kommunistiske Parti | To | Debating the New Flag and Anthem - Don't like it? It's better than what we have now. |
| Message | I like the current flag as well, but it's just too ... normal/common. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 371 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 129 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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