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Bill: Golden Liberty

Details

Submitted by[?]: Social Calvinist Unionist Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 2126

Description[?]:

Excerpt from Rzeczpospolita Article:
"Golden Liberty refers to a unique democratic political system in the Kingdom of Tinako and later in the Tinakan-Utagian Commonwealth. Under that system, all nobles (szlachta) were equal and enjoyed extensive rights and privileges. The szlachta controled the legislature (Sejm the Tinakan parliament) and the Commonwealth's elected king"

If this passes, we would like it if each party either named itself after a Royal House (I.E. House Windsor) or alligns itself with a Royal House(you can put that in your Party Description)

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date00:18:41, October 12, 2005 CET
FromCovenanters (IA)
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageWhat about only landowners having the vote?

Date02:01:30, October 12, 2005 CET
FromSocial Calvinist Unionist Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageI'm not sure how to go about that.

I COULD make it so that only land-owners are citizens, but that might not generate support that I need.

Unless I hear that the Leftist parties(at least one) will vote 'yea' for just land-owners, this bill prolly be sitting here until after the next election.

Date07:19:01, October 12, 2005 CET
FromLuthori Green Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageThe CHEAT would allow the election of the Monarch to be restricted to landowners and nobles, but would require that the election of the government, and its head official, to be open to all citizens. In addition, the government would continue to be control the majority of the power, with the Monarch having some constitutional rights and responsibilities.

This would be, for us, a reasonable compromise.

For the record, if all this happens, I will be alligning myself with a Royal House, I like my current name too much.

Date09:15:51, October 12, 2005 CET
FromCovenanters (IA)
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageThe CHEAT proposal is acceptable to the DUP but is not currently possible as a game feature. This bill as it stands would create a republic with politicians serving as 'President' for 3 three years terms and that is completely unacceptable to us!

Date16:44:51, October 12, 2005 CET
FromUnited Conservative Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageNot acceptable.

Try something less barmy.

Date21:18:59, October 12, 2005 CET
FromSocial Calvinist Unionist Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageBarmy?

WTF is Barmy?

Date21:36:13, October 12, 2005 CET
FromSocial Calvinist Unionist Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageBarmy?

WTF is Barmy?

Date21:36:54, October 12, 2005 CET
FromSocial Calvinist Unionist Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageEeep! Double post! I'm sorry.

Date22:54:07, October 12, 2005 CET
FromSeosavists Republican party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
Messagecrazy

Date01:01:52, October 13, 2005 CET
FromUnited Conservative Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageVotes only for the landed gentry!

Debar the uneducated from politics!

Non-Christians should be debarred from holding land or titles.

You know it makes sense!

Date01:09:33, October 13, 2005 CET
FromSeosavists Republican party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageHaha I like how that worked out with crazy over that post

Date03:10:13, October 13, 2005 CET
FromLuthori Green Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageUCP should be barred from holding land or titles.

You know it makes sense!

Date10:48:14, October 13, 2005 CET
FromUnited Conservative Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageYou can't be serious? Debarring a man of God!

It is because I have titles and land that makes you so envious.

I'll pray for your lost soul.

Date11:14:12, October 13, 2005 CET
FromLuthori Green Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageDon't, please don't.

Date14:18:41, October 13, 2005 CET
FromCovenanters (IA)
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageHere's an idea: take the new anthem from the other bill and put it in here instead of this republican treachery, and it might just pass.

Date19:58:34, October 13, 2005 CET
FromSocial Calvinist Unionist Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageIt's not treachery; If you haven't noticed, I'm waiting until next election to add(or not add) the land-owners bit. That way, I will have a better idea on how to progress.

Date20:32:01, October 13, 2005 CET
FromSocial Calvinist Unionist Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageBefore the left-wing parties go after my head for adding the citizenship thing;

I am trying to restore democracy to Luthori. Although I have the largest party, I cannot suddenly convert us to t3h uber democracy. It is a transition. The only way this will pass is if I add landowners, and at least then we will have some democracy when it comes to our leaders.

Date22:24:30, October 13, 2005 CET
FromSeosavists Republican party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageI'll only vote yes if you need my vote.

Date23:41:37, October 13, 2005 CET
FromCovenanters (IA)
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageThis will still result in the crown falling to a politian and changing hands every 3 years, hardly a stable monarch. What if the republicans entered a civilian as a candidate, and won?

Date00:44:30, October 14, 2005 CET
FromSocial Calvinist Unionist Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageI change the amount of time the monarch serves.

Also, although rare, civilians have become kings many times before, and in a large amount of cases are superb kings. Do not count them out because they lack noble birth.

Date01:00:47, October 14, 2005 CET
FromCovenanters (IA)
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageArticle III still concerns us. Once in place it could be the basis for a tacky republic, as you suggested to the lefties yourself.

Date02:23:01, October 14, 2005 CET
FromSocial Calvinist Unionist Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageA republic of the landowners? =P

If anything, it'll be an oligarchy.

Date06:12:35, October 14, 2005 CET
FromLuthori Green Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageI'll vote for this, both due to the idea of elective constitutional monarchy tied with democracy where everyone can vote, and since the conservative parties seem ready to burn down the commonwealth parliament over this. Might make them realise why we need a nationalised firefighting service. =D

Date22:44:33, October 14, 2005 CET
FromSocial Calvinist Unionist Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageOk then.

TO THE POLLS!

Also, DUP, my last bill didn't have the election thing. But you voted against it anyhoo. Why, pray tell, did you do that? It was nothing but changing alot of names. By turning on your word, you lost some trust with me. Not all of it, as the cabinet proposal shows, but a fair amount.

Date22:59:27, October 14, 2005 CET
FromCovenanters (IA)
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageI never voted against it. I bet abstaining cost us seats.

Date00:00:10, October 15, 2005 CET
FromSocial Calvinist Unionist Party
ToDebating the Golden Liberty
MessageTrue.

But voting FOR it would not have.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
       

Total Seats: 648

no

    Total Seats: 0

    abstain
     

    Total Seats: 102


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