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Bill: Sentate Hearing
Details
Submitted by[?]: Grand Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3302
Description[?]:
| Regarding the Conduct of Khalid Leylabi http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=126&p=38625#p38625 |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:09:48, May 10, 2012 CET | From |  Grand Liberal Party | To | Debating the Sentate Hearing |
| Message | We call on the Unionist Party to give and full, open and honest account of this matter. We then inivte questions from members of this house. Madeleine Clarke, Senate Warden |
| Date | 01:16:58, May 10, 2012 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Sentate Hearing |
| Message | "Ms. Senate Warden, Prior to Lord Leylabi's address, the 2406 Party wishes to inquire as to what grounds the Senate Warden has for such vague and defamatory actions in this Senate. Is Lord Leylabi charged with some crime? If it is so, he ought to answer to a jury of his peers, not this body, and if he is not charged with a crime, then what grounds are there for this "hearing?" It is a shame that this, no doubt, has to do with the fabricated claims invented by the Democratic Republican Party and its corrupt ministers and totalitarian paramilitary and police organizations. I demand, if this is the basis for questioning, that this hearing be called off and the authenticity of the supposed correspondence be proven prior to any accusation is based upon them! I yield the floor." Michael Victor II Kansar 2406 Party Chair |
| Date | 02:15:57, May 10, 2012 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Sentate Hearing |
| Message | "The Justice Ministry can confirm that the letters are fabricated and remind the Internal Affairs Ministry and the Supreme President that it is the JUSTICE Department, not the Senate, who deal with criminal proceedings. This is a Bailenist Democracy, not some Police State. The Courts would determine if Lord Leylabi was guilty or not; not that we're going to be pressing the charge. I also remind the Senate Warden that the Justice Department is still undergoing an invesgitation into accusations of corruption in the Internal Affairs Ministry. It is hardly the time to take evidence from that department into a criminal case." Maxwell Havers, Secretary of State for Justice |
| Date | 03:48:07, May 10, 2012 CET | From | Chann National Party (CNP) | To | Debating the Sentate Hearing |
| Message | "The 2406 knows to what extent the Unionist's supported the Crown during the Restoration period. Why then do they defend the Unionist's so much? If the 2406 is not willing to honestly back our allegations in terms of the Unionist's anti-democratic history and collaboration with the Crown Party, then we need only to refer to the OOC Archives (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=346504). Look at every bill that restored to us our beloved Republic and you will find that on every single bill, the Unionist's voted no and in collaboration with the Crown. As to the justification of this hearing, it is a matter of fact finding. Mr. Khalid Leylabi served as Supreme President and as a major public figure in the years that followed the Restoration. Therefore, he is held liable to appear before the representatives of the people to answer to charges of conspiracy and to the incriminating correspondence with the Crown Party! I yield the floor." Sen. Jeanne Chu (DRP) Senator from Fuwan |
| Date | 10:02:53, May 10, 2012 CET | From | Grand Liberal Party | To | Debating the Sentate Hearing |
| Message | “Senators, this is a house of integrity and truth. This house has the right to ask questions, and to expect answers. This matter is not a criminal investigation, we asking for the facts to be laid before the Solentian people. To my knowledge the Unionists have yet to confirm or deny the authenticity of this correspondence. I ask them again, will you now in public make the facts known. Are these letters genuine? Do they express the views of their Party?” Madeleine Clarke, Senate Warden |
| Date | 14:29:25, May 10, 2012 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Sentate Hearing |
| Message | "Neither the Unionist Party, nor it's leadership are resonsible for the actions or words of Lord Leylabi. We do, however, stand fully behind the former Supreme President and are extremely annoyed by the 'guilty until proven innocent' position of the DRP and Liberals. The Foreign Office has already confirmed that the fabrications make no sense, the Justice Secretary has already said it will not be pressing the case and yet this Senate Warden thinks that she is above it all. She thinks she can call whatever shots she likes because daddy will come to the rescue if she it's ballsed-up. The Unionist Party rejects the call for the Senate Hearing as unlawful, unjustified, corrupt, partisan and disrespectful to the due process of the law. The Unionists patience with the blatent corruption of the DRP is wearing thin. They have falsified documents and are pinning Lord Leylabi as a criminal to hide the corruption in the Interal Affairs Ministry during their time in that office. Shameful." Keir Georg Hollande, Unionist Vice-President (Legislative Lead) |
| Date | 20:57:28, May 10, 2012 CET | From | Grand Liberal Party | To | Debating the Sentate Hearing |
| Message | "Members, this House is entitled to ask questions. May I also add that the Liberals have never made any accusation of guilt on any side? Why don't the Unionists come clean in this House once and for all and state clearly their position on the future governance of this nation with regards the Monarchy? While it is clearly that the authenticity of these letters is at best dubious, it is also clear that many in this nation believe that the views expressed in them are reflective of the Unionists. I would also add that I find your personal remarks, Mr Hollande most unhelpful at a time when we Liberals are attempting to bring calm and peace back to Solentia." M Clarke SW |
| Date | 01:00:38, May 11, 2012 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Sentate Hearing |
| Message | "The Unionists policy position is not the subject of this so-called hearing; nor is it the business of the House to demand it. Lord Leylabi is not under criminal investigation and is therefore not required to answer questions posed in this hearing." Maxwell Havers, Justice Secretary |
| Date | 01:53:09, May 11, 2012 CET | From | Grand Liberal Party | To | Debating the Sentate Hearing |
| Message | "members, it is interesting that the Unionists will not declaire there position on this matter and I think we will all draw our own conculsions. It would appear that Leyladi has done no wrong and I propose that this proceeding has now run its course. It is now upto the UP and 2406 to reach out if they wish to continue in this government. If not they should do the honourable thing and resign thier posts" M Clarke SW |
| Date | 03:53:49, May 11, 2012 CET | From | Chann National Party (CNP) | To | Debating the Sentate Hearing |
| Message | "There position is made clear by their legislative history! (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=346504 " |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 150 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 275 |
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