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Bill: Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Communist Party (DCP) (LL)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3477
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government determines which missionaries are permitted to visit on a person by person basis.
Current: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Proposed: The government has no policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated.
Current: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Proposed: Religious schools are not allowed.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Current: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:58:03, April 27, 2013 CET | From |  Conservative Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | From a party that has said 'our racial religious and sexual minorities wont be pushed into the shadows' in the past we find this proposal quite bizarre. Persecution of religious people? How fascist! |
| Date | 14:41:40, April 27, 2013 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | "Persecution" of religious people versus the cognitive abuse and indoctrination of impressionable youths. I'm going to side with educating children with scientifically based knowledge, not allowing them to be swallowed up by institutionalized religious propaganda. |
| Date | 14:55:38, April 27, 2013 CET | From | Phillipsian Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | I agree with the idea of a secular state, but this legislation openly attacks the rights of religions. We in the Phillipsian Party believe that there is a distinct difference between a secular state and an atheist one, and while most of us are atheists ourselves, we realize that religions need some rights too. -Joe Phillips, Head of the Presidium and Leader of the Phillipsian Party |
| Date | 15:13:18, April 27, 2013 CET | From | Conservative Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | So you're going to suppress freedom of religion so you can indoctrinate them with what will likely be socialist indoctrination instead? |
| Date | 16:03:27, April 27, 2013 CET | From | Phillipsian Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | Socialism is not a religion, sir. |
| Date | 19:00:42, April 27, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Communist Party (DCP) (LL) | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | This bill does not persecute religion. It makes it easier for missionaries to get into the country for example. It DOES ban parents from forcing their children into there belief system through avoiding the free public school system. It DOES bar parents from segregating their children from the likes of other religious and secular groups. It DOES NOT bar parents from taking kids to church. It DOES NOT bar parents from teaching their children religion. The public school system in Ikradon is the best in the world. It allows children to make their own decisions and form their own philosophies. |
| Date | 20:19:37, April 27, 2013 CET | From | Conservative Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | If people want their children to have a religious education they should have the right. |
| Date | 20:48:32, April 27, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Communist Party (DCP) (LL) | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | They do not have a right to abuse there children emotionally and intellectually, nor do they have a right to segregate their children from the rest of the population. CHILDREN do have a right to an education and their own beliefs and indeed superstitions if they choose to have them. |
| Date | 23:17:33, April 27, 2013 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | "So you're going to suppress freedom of religion so you can indoctrinate them with what will likely be socialist indoctrination instead?" Yep, we're going to indoctrinate them into treating people fairly and respecting all people, striving for an equitable world free of violence and suffering. Quelle horreur, a? |
| Date | 12:03:24, April 28, 2013 CET | From | Conservative Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | 'Abuse'? 'Segregate'? 'Indoctrinate'? Seriously, the two extreme-left parties are losing the plot. We're discussing religious schools and state-sanctioned atheism, not apartheid. |
| Date | 20:39:41, April 28, 2013 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the Secular State and Anti-Indoctrination Act |
| Message | Religious parents should not have the right to exclude their children from the right to free and open knowledge. Restricting them to only false and "faith-based" teachings in private is immoral and manipulative and will only create problems for the child when they finally emerge to reality and cannot cope. Public education is not just a good thing to make available to people.... It is an inherent right that every new human being has. They have a right to be taught empirically verifiable information, not dogmatic teachings of religions that teach against reason and critical thinking. Religious education takes away the right to information from children and is a form of cognitive and emotional abuse. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 200 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 382 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 168 |
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