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Bill: Ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Anarcho-Capitalist Party of Gaduridos
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3759
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU). If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the Seleyan Union (SU).
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:14:58, October 22, 2014 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU) |
| Message | OOC: I noticed this and thought about proposing it, but I think that we should wait to see how ratification pans out in the other Seleyan nations before beginning to debate potential ratification. |
| Date | 02:23:05, October 23, 2014 CET | From | Progressive Workers of Gaduridos | To | Debating the Ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU) |
| Message | While the PWG in principle support cooperation between Seleyan nations, we find the below part of Article 1 of the treaty to be redundant. "pass bills regarding national law that nations have to comply to unless it is overturned or not supported by parties in their home country. " Such a treaty would give the extranational parliament no authority whatsoever to create a uniform legislative and policy framework across member states. It would serve the purposes and cause of Seleyan integration if the extranational parliament is restricted to certain policy areas (such as foreign policy, and defence), and all legislations voted in it must become law in member states. |
| Date | 21:51:40, October 23, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the Ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU) |
| Message | May the Baltusian ambassador to Gaduridos speak on this matter? |
| Date | 00:44:21, October 24, 2014 CET | From | Progressive Workers of Gaduridos | To | Debating the Ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU) |
| Message | Senor Presidente, I seek leave to invite the Ambassador of the Republic of Baltusia to the Asamblea Federal to explain and answer questions on his country's proposed Seleyan Union. Danki. Silvana Castellano Spokesperson for Foreign Affairs Progressive Workers of Gaduridos |
| Date | 03:12:40, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the Ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU) |
| Message | Señor Presidente, Thank you for allowing me to speak on this matter. I completely understand the PWG's concerns about a Union taking over a nation and that is a grave fear of mine as well, this is why I drafted this treaty to make absolute sure that this does not happen. If even one party in the nation opposes the act and makes it well known that they oppose it, the nation in no way has to follow that price of legislation. Danki, Sergio Garcia, Baltusia Ambassador to Gaduridos |
| Date | 16:50:43, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Progressive Workers of Gaduridos | To | Debating the Ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU) |
| Message | Senor Presidente The Ambassador misunderstood what I said. We are not concerned that the Union might take some powers away from member states. Quite the opposite, we fear that it gives too much leniency for member states to opt out as they wish. If we are to have a strong Union, we must have an extranational parliament that has absolute sovereignty, where all members states must abide by what has been voted at such a parliament. This is especially important on foreign affairs and defence issues. In addition, this sovereignty must be extended to monetary policy if and when this Union adopts a common currency. What is the point of a Union and an extranational parliament if member states have different, sometimes conflicting, policies? Danki Silvana Castellano Spokesperson for Foreign Affairs Progressive Workers of Gaduridos |
| Date | 22:24:50, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the Ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU) |
| Message | Señor Presidente, Sorry for misunderstanding you. Anyways, since each and every nation has something to say and since each nation has 15 seats in the Union Assembly, we will work on compromise so nations do not want to step of this law. This treaty unites Seleya in many other ways than just the Union Assemblies resolutions and since currently we have no Union in place where as all of the other big continents do (Majatra and Artania) we see this as essential and just a start line in the race of Seleyan unity that is no where near being finished. Danki, Sergio Garcia, Baltusia Ambassador to Gaduridos |
| Date | 09:49:49, October 26, 2014 CET | From | Progressive Workers of Gaduridos | To | Debating the Ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU) |
| Message | Senor Presidente I thank the Ambassador for his explanation. We the PWG are in principle supportive of this union. We also understand some member states might want to retain sovereignty on certain, if not most, policy areas. We would, however, like to ask the Ambassador if it would be possible to include provisions for a single defence and foreign policy for the union, instead of having member states have separate, uncoordinated defence and foreign policies. Danki Silvana Castellano Spokesperson for Foreign Affairs Progressive Workers of Gaduridos |
| Date | 12:05:01, October 28, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the Ratification of the Seleyan Union (SU) |
| Message | Yes, I will see if that can be arranged. Danki, Sergio Garcia, Baltusia Ambassador to Gaduridos |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 1 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 132 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 66 |
| Random fact: Submitting a bill without any proposals in it will not attract or detract voters. It will not raise your visibility or change your political position. |
| Random quote: "It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have free scope." - Niccolo Machiavelli |