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Bill: A Petition from the Public
Details
Submitted by[?]: Ecumenical Constitutional Democrat Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3770
Description[?]:
| We wish the Presidium would consider this laws. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no official state religion, but the government only allows recognized religions. 'Cults' are persecuted.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is no official state religion, but the government requires everyone to belong to a religion of some kind.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers are mandatory in schools.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Religious schools are not allowed.
Current: Only recognised religions may set up religious schools, with no regulations.
Proposed: All schools are required to be religious in nature.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change State penalties for blasphemy
Old value:: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Current: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Proposed: Public blasphemy is considered a criminal offense.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Current: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Proposed: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: Religious doctrine determines the death penalty.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Old value:: The government subsidises a considerable discount for contraceptives.
Current: The government offers free contraceptives in pharmacies and public toilets.
Proposed: Contraceptives are banned for religious reasons.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: Public officials are not allowed to wear religious symbols while exercising their duties.
Current: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Proposed: People are required to dress according to religious codes
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: All religious income, despite the use, is taxed.
Current: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Proposed: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Article 10
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to adultery.
Old value:: There is no explicit government policy on adultery.
Current: Adultery is legal.
Proposed: Adultery is a capital offence.
Article 11
Proposal[?] to change The way adulthood is determined.
Old value:: Adulthood is determined by age.
Current: Adulthood is determined by age.
Proposed: Adulthood is determined by religion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:45:57, December 05, 2014 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, A lot of the laws mention "religion" as well as "religious doctrine" or "religious reasons" but we don't see a reference to any specific religion in the bill description. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 17:54:24, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Mr Speaker. we only vote yes to for the shake of visibility. Julian Damon. we wish for this bill to be defeated. |
| Date | 18:00:42, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We will consider it a betrayal of Lodamese Nationalists by the LPC if they vote in favour of this bill. This is non-negotiable. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 18:04:26, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | this bill is made to hurt our coherency Julian Damon. |
| Date | 18:06:36, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Ecumenical Constitutional Democrat Party | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Unfortunately these citizens were not specific in the petition. We presume that they were Lodamese Nationalists, for they seemed decent sorts. |
| Date | 18:06:46, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | we hope the next President will have the Independants to be punished for blasphemy, |
| Date | 18:08:03, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Mr Speaker. Lodamese Nationalist have no religious symbol and they do not pray. |
| Date | 18:10:57, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Mr. speaker, They could not be Lodamese Nationalists because Lodamese Nationalism is anti-prayer. Also, the Independents cannot be punished for blasphemy since no laws about blasphemy existed at the time this was set to vote. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 18:14:30, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Ecumenical Constitutional Democrat Party | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Ah, well, perhaps they are very extreme Lodamese Nationalists. We are sure by "prayer" they mean some kind of secular celebration of nationhood which is SIMILAR to prayer. We are just representing ordinary citizens views. |
| Date | 18:20:27, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, How about enacting Law retroactivity. this way, we will be able to punish the indepedents for blasphemy, we do not suggest execution, but maybe torture. |
| Date | 18:32:49, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We are not in favour of law retroactivity. This creates complications every time a law is changed. A law will only be in effect when current. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 21:29:11, December 05, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. The true colurs of the LPC show. They ride on the nationalist gravy train. With no clear stand point. Laughable. Matteo Powers JDP Leader |
| Date | 21:36:28, December 05, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the A Petition from the Public |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we would like to make clear to Independents party that there are some rules in this Presidium. For starters, it would be polite to adress yourself to the Speaker or the Members of Presidium when speaking. Secondly, bills need to be discussed first before they are sent to vote, conferring to http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=404088. Also, half a year from now there will be elections, so putting a bill to vote at this stage is useless since it will be kicked back to debate when elections occur. Hans Dewitte vice-President of Lodamun |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 110 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 391 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 98 |
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