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Bill: Impeachment Act of 3833
Details
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3833
Description[?]:
| By order of the Senate, President Kaiser Chann is hereby impeached and removed from office on suspicion of high crimes and misdemeanors. i) The President has violated previous law by aiding and abetting illegal paramilitary groups, ii) The President has broken the law and defied the Senate by illegally extending the boundaries of a Executive Order to act as dictator. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:23:11, April 18, 2015 CET | From | Chann National Party (CNP) | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | Our second round of statements weren't based on the Executive Order. So you have no grounds on which to bring this impeachment. It is frivolous. |
| Date | 22:24:52, April 18, 2015 CET | From | Chann National Party (CNP) | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | Furthermore, our Chann fighters were volunteers and were not hired. Paramilitaries are hired. Chann fighters enlisted for the defense of the Republic. |
| Date | 22:36:54, April 18, 2015 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | The Senate will decide what is frivolous and what is not. It is not for you to decide. Paramilitaries are not defined by being paid. Chann is referring to a 'mercenary.' Paramilitaries are defined by the fact that their structure, culture, methods, etc. are similar to that of a State army. Many paramilitaries are volunteer-based. Some paramilitaries, such as Chann's, are equipped with armored vehicles and naval craft. And not only that, they take it upon themselves the exercise the law as they see fit without consulting lawful, legitimate authority. |
| Date | 22:43:10, April 18, 2015 CET | From | Chann National Party (CNP) | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | We will go by what the Senate passes. But we beseech our fellow, reasonable members of the Senate that our forces were only used in the defense against the Ahmadi State. Furthermore our forces are private security, wholly different than paramilitary, for the protection of the Chann family which has enemies in both Indrala and Solentia. Private Security that was used in a time of grave danger to the republic and slow action of the previous government. |
| Date | 22:50:26, April 18, 2015 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | Thank you for that confession, CNP. |
| Date | 23:23:11, April 18, 2015 CET | From | Federal Green Party (FGP) | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | We do agree that the Chann military should have had no place in the conflict. Though we find it strange that you have put this forward, given that you support the creation of paramilitaries being legal, do you not? |
| Date | 23:33:26, April 18, 2015 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | Paramilitary Bill (3832) http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=434164 |
| Date | 23:34:06, April 18, 2015 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | If you agree that a serious law was broken why do you not vote to impeach? |
| Date | 23:38:09, April 18, 2015 CET | From | Federal Green Party (FGP) | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | We are considering doing so. Also, that is not the bill I am referring to. Your party proposed a paramilitary bill ages ago close to the time that your party was first formed. It was a little different from that one, as it would have made paramilitaries a legal part of every political party. |
| Date | 23:47:00, April 18, 2015 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | You are correct, in our early days we proposed paramilitary formations. As our support and responsibility grew and the civil war in Teshuen occurred, we realized this was one area where we needed to rethink our position. |
| Date | 00:55:58, April 19, 2015 CET | From | Federal Green Party (FGP) | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | Good to hear! Indeed, we agree with you that this is an egregious offense and it does warrant an impeachment. Paramilitaries and private armies should have no place in Solentia. If the Channs want to have them in Indrala this is their perogative, but keep them out of Solentia. If they do not feel safe here without their own Army then they are free to return to Indrala or go someplace else. At least they have that option, if I do not feel safe in Solentia then I have to suck it up and hope for the best. I do not have billions that allow me to travel freely from nation to nation or fund a private army. -Jill Klein, Chairwoman of the Federal Green Party |
| Date | 23:23:22, April 19, 2015 CET | From | Chann National Party (CNP) | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | This Impeachment has no effect. Since paramilitaries are legal as of 3282. So this impeachment is frivolous. |
| Date | 23:26:39, April 19, 2015 CET | From | Chann National Party (CNP) | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | You can't enforce a law that doesn't exist anymore. On the books, the law is that paramilitaries are currently allowed, which means that you cannot impeach someone for being in violation of the previous version of the law. But I do not expect persons without legal background to understand the difference. |
| Date | 00:07:27, April 20, 2015 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | This law proves the incompetence of government. Why should Kaiser Chann be impeached? I'm not sure. If we go in with the notion that government should indeed exist, Chann has done nothing wrong. His replacement would probably be a member of the SUN, and that's scary. ~Donald Bing |
| Date | 03:11:15, April 20, 2015 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | We can enforce a law that does not exist anymore. There is no statute of limitations on high crimes committed by a public official. Aiding and abetting paramilitary groups while the law strictly forbids it, is an impeachable offense by itself. The President may be arrested, charged and imprisoned. The fact that the Paramilitary Bill legalized this practice; even after Chann was already engaged in this illegal offense, does not absolve or justify crimes against the public trust and the law that applies to us all. Let us say; for example, from January to June, the Channs illegally gave money to political campaigns while the law strictly forbade that. (Yes, the Channs have committed this crime as well.) From June to December, the law was changed to permit that. Legally, the Channs may be charged from their offense from January to June, but not from June to December. There is an exception to this rule, if the Paramilitary Bill specified that its conditions were retroactive, the opposition may have a point. The Paramilitary Bill was not retroactive and President Chann broke the law fully knowing the law. The CNP has also publicly confessed that in front of the Senate. This also spells INTENT to break the law. The President committed a high crime against the State and nation while in office. The President also attempted to usurp senatorial authority with overstepping the legally mandated conditions of an Executive Order. He has now attempted to resuscitate the specter of the 'Ahmadi State' in a new Executive Order in an attempt to provide a legal loophole for himself. We could also bring a charge of obstructing justice, but this we feel this alone is sufficient. John Loring National Chairman, SUN |
| Date | 03:31:55, April 20, 2015 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Impeachment Act of 3833 |
| Message | As this bill reaches it conclusion, we implore the President to save himself and the country some embarrassment by doing the right thing and resigning. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 298 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 227 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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