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Bill: Hosian State Religion Act
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3850
Description[?]:
| By passage of this act the following will become law: 1. The Selucian Patriarchal Church will become the only official state religion of Selucia. 2. All citizens of Selucia as well as all subjects residing within Selucia must have a membership within the Selucian Patriarchal Church 3. The failiure to comply with this regulation within one year after the passage of this act will trigger the loss of the Selucian citizenship and the immidiate deportation 4. All other religions or cults are not allowed to exercise their religion under any cirumstance. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Current: There is no official state religion, but the government only allows recognized religions. 'Cults' are persecuted.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, and membership is mandatory.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Any religion may set up a school, with no regulations.
Current: Religious schools are not allowed.
Proposed: All schools are required to be religious in nature.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government has no policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Current: Foreign missionaries are not permitted to enter the nation.
Proposed: The government selectively screens which religions are permitted to send missionaries to the nation. Certain religions are approved and travel is unregulated.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Current: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Proposed: People are required to dress according to religious codes
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:12:38, May 21, 2015 CET | From | Factio Republicana Socialistica | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | Senators, So the Senator of the Factio Liberalis-Conservativa wants 40 million Selucians to either give up their religion or be deported. I'm sure this will work out just fine and not backfire in any way. Statius Messienus Otho Minister of Justice |
| Date | 13:35:58, May 21, 2015 CET | From | Mulierum Coalitio | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | Senators, I have received a message from His Eminence the Archbishop of Calatia, Cardinal Roberto Azuro, and I have been asked to read it aloud: "His Holiness the Archpatriarch Justus III and the hierarchy of the Selucian Patriarchal Church in Selucia are agreed that freedom of religious belief is a fundamental right which should be respected by the government of Selucia. At the present time, we are deeply concerned about the civil liberties and general welfare of Hosians in Selucia, and we are insistent that these should be respected. However, we also wish to completely distance ourselves from any move towards infringing upon the religious freedoms of followers of other faiths and no faith. In view of this, although direct involvement in politics is something we are generally cautious about, we must request the Senate to vote down the Hosian State Religion Act". OOC: Hope everyone is OK with that bit of improvised RP. |
| Date | 13:37:04, May 21, 2015 CET | From | Mulierum Coalitio | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | Juliana Floriana MC senator |
| Date | 01:43:11, May 22, 2015 CET | From | Nova Factio Pagana | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | Senators, While the AAH oppose the description of the bill, we support the religious nature of the proposals presented in the content of the bill on an ideological level. Therefore, despite our reservations concerning the description of the bill, we are willing to support this bill. Domitianus I Arch Patriarch, Holy Apostolic Hosian Church |
| Date | 01:58:31, May 22, 2015 CET | From | Mulierum Coalitio | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | Senators, Has His Holiness the Arch-Patriarch of the Holy Apostolic Hosian Church considered that this legislation, which he says he supports, would ban his Holy Apostolic Hosian Church from operating in Selucia? Tiberia Nemetoria Hybrida Leader of the MC |
| Date | 02:14:16, May 22, 2015 CET | From | Nova Factio Pagana | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | Senators, We again wish to say that we propose the religious nature of the specific articles proposed in this bill however we oppose the restrictions placed on the free will of Selucian citizens. This is because we do realize that the description does seemingly prevent us from operating and as such we oppose it. We would likewise wish to prevent a rise in religious violence in Selucia, but we do not see how further antagonizing and marginalizing religious minorities will help things. As we do not have any seated members in the Senate we can only make ideological statements through our support, or lack thereof, of a bill and the articles it presents. Domitianus I Arch Patriarch, Holy Apostolic Hosian Church |
| Date | 02:20:24, May 22, 2015 CET | From | Mulierum Coalitio | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | Senators, This may be the first time in the history of Terra that a religious leader has voted for the criminalisation of his own religion. I wonder how he will explain this decision to his followers. Tiberia Nemetoria Hybrida Leader of the MC |
| Date | 03:45:19, May 22, 2015 CET | From | Nova Factio Pagana | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | OCC: I apologise in advance for the break in flow of the debate. As a new party attempting to establish the position of the party I vote in favor of this bill, not because I agree with the overall premise behind the bill but because the Articles proposed fit with the direction I want the AAH to go. I had thought that I had explained that in character clearly in my previous posts. Aparently not thus justifying this OCC post. I apologize for breaking flow of the debate but I felt that this was necissary. |
| Date | 10:02:28, May 22, 2015 CET | From | Factio Republicana Socialistica | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | Senators, Expel and kill me and all Pagans, I don't fucking care any more. This whole traitorous nation can just collectively fellate Sol's fiery cock. Lucius Aquilinus, Senator, Pontifex Maximus |
| Date | 14:39:43, May 22, 2015 CET | From | Mulierum Coalitio | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | OOC: lol this is typical of the kind of comical exchanges that develop when someone votes on the basis of the Articles and the"Political Positions" in the in-game mechanics rather than on the Bill description :). Personally I prefer to vote and comment "in character" as it were, but each to their own. |
| Date | 15:14:52, May 22, 2015 CET | From | Acies Nationalis | To | Debating the Hosian State Religion Act |
| Message | OOC: It's fully understandable that he wants to get his party position outlined for the voters as well! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 146 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 177 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 78 |
| Random fact: Don't vote yes on a cabinet coalition that doesn't give you the power that you deserve. |
| Random quote: "The day is not far off when the economic problem will take the back seat where it belongs, and the arena of the heart and the head will be occupied or reoccupied, by our real problems, the problems of life and of human relations, of creation and behaviour and religion." - John Maynard Keynes |