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Bill: The Adelia Religious Union's Platform on Military Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Adelia Religious Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3858
Description[?]:
| The Defense of our Nation is of paramount importance to our party, and we believe these few key reforms are what is necessary to secure the constant safety of our fair Nation. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term of civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Current: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Proposed: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation can only use chemical or biological weapons on non-civilan areas.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Women in the military.
Old value:: Women serve alongside men.
Current: Women serve alongside men.
Proposed: Women can only serve in non-battle positions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:05:08, June 08, 2015 CET | From | Federal Heritage Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Adelia Religious Union's Platform on Military Reform |
| Message | Madam Speaker, As for article one we already have something similar in effect. (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=434195). Article two however, may prevent Hutori from taking action that may benefit Hutori as each case is reviewed already we feel further restrictions are unwarranted. In the case of article three or four we can not support them on moral grounds. I yield. OOC: Two questions, the first being who is the Ultra-Conservative party? And are you RPing your RL political philosophy? I would understand if you didn't answer the second question. |
| Date | 15:05:44, June 08, 2015 CET | From | Adelia Religious Union | To | Debating the The Adelia Religious Union's Platform on Military Reform |
| Message | Madam Speaker, While we understand that we already have something similar in effect for article one, and would by no means wish to overturn any aspect of this previous act, we wanted to explicitly incentivize temporary military service over civil work, not because civil service is unimportant, but rather because incentivizing military service will increase the effectiveness of a future draft in the case of it becoming necessary, if the majority of the nation had already served. As for article two, we would like to point out that as it currently stands, all the law requires is for the "government" to review each case of arms sales. Were this body the exclusive entity to review such sales, this seems reasonable. However, it would appear, due to the vague and open nature of the law, this could allow the HIC to make some potentially destabilizing and dangerous actions that could severely backfire on our fair nation. Since you have raised no specific objections to articles three and four, we cannot debate their merits with you. We hope you will be more open to such a debate in the future. I yield. OOC: First, I'm most certainly the Ultra-Conservative Party. I hope you don't mind that I took the spot, I reviewed all the other party positions and it looked like none such existed. Second, no, this isn't even close to my RL Political Philosophy, I'm more or less a diehard Liberal Quaker. I'm just experimenting with the state political belief systems to see if it really works properly. Should be some fun along the way. |
| Date | 19:52:00, June 08, 2015 CET | From | Federal Heritage Party of Hutori | To | Debating the The Adelia Religious Union's Platform on Military Reform |
| Message | Madam Speaker, While we understand the ARU's position on article 1 we must respectfully disagree. As for article two while as unfortunate as it maybe sometimes we are required or at least it is logical to sell arms to militia groups that support our cause. And while it is unfortunate the current proposal in article two as it stands does not provide for that inevitability. Again while we understand your concerns we would suggest instead of trying to change the law perhaps add regulations that would inhibit “potentially destabilizing and dangerous actions" As for article 3 as there is no such thing as a selective targeting biological or chemical weapon and we cannot condone such an unpredictable weapon(s). In the case of article four the reasons are two-fold the first being that we believe that both men and women should have the same opportunity for advancement and the fact of the matter is that combat is an area in which rapid advancement is made. The second being that there are certain combat positions in which women far out preform men. Such is the case for medics, fighter pilots, sharpshooters, EOD and space combat to name a few so to remove them from those duties would do a disservice to our military. I yield. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 535 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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