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Bill: Discussion on Coalitions
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Labor Coalition
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3871
Description[?]:
| After talks among the Shadow Alliance, Eastern-Central Alliance, United Republics Party, and Popular Liberation Front, a grand government coalition consisting of the four parties (with the unseated PLF as a spokesperson party) has been formally announced, with the SA as ranking coalition party: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=57&p=87234#p87234 We the PLF view the coalition favorably and hope to work together on many issues for Lodamun's progress. However, there are still some lingering issues to discuss of the governing coalition and a possible opposition coalition. What central ideologies bind the SA, ECA, URP, and the PLF together as a governing coalition? What the coalition's formal name? What alliance possibilities would the PF, LNC, UDHFU, and MP discuss? Will there be an official government-versus-opposition procedure as is the case in many other nations' (OOC: Westminster-esque) parliamentary systems? These questions, among others, should be answered as the results of the recent election have come through. We the PLF hope to engender productive discussions and answers for this unique issue from our nation's diverse political landscape. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:02:47, July 03, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we have our own agenda. We will support bills of which we believe are good for the nation. We will oppose to bills that do not concur with our agenda. John Uyttebroeck LNC spokesman |
| Date | 08:25:49, July 03, 2015 CET | From | Social Labor Coalition | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, and to Mr. Uyttebroeck, So you're not interested in forming some opposition alliance? C. T. Edwards Chairwoman of the PLF |
| Date | 08:28:34, July 03, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we will conduct our role as opposition party and we will try to find equal minded MP's and parties, but the wellbeing of Lodamun and its citizens is our first priority. John Uyttebroeck LNC spokesman |
| Date | 09:04:46, July 03, 2015 CET | From | Metzian Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | M.Speaker, We have the responds same as LNC.We vote for what we think right.And when Nationalist Coalition is needed together to respond,We will be together. Tony Leader of UDHFU |
| Date | 12:11:48, July 03, 2015 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We echo what the LNC has said, we can preform just as well from opposition. Even without the government treasury at our disposal. Amy Lane Leader of the P.F within the Presidium |
| Date | 03:10:01, July 04, 2015 CET | From | Court of Shades | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Firstly, after much discussion with the constitute parties, the official name that we have decided on for the new ruling coalition is the "United Alliance", or simply the "Alliance" for short. Secondly, what drives the divide between the Alliance and the Opposition is the view on Lodamesse Nationalism. While it is true that both groups have range of views on economic and social issues, these issues have largely been irrelevant in the formation of cabinets. Simply put, the Opposition believe that Lodamesse Nationalism should be endorsed by the state while other religions should be restricted. The Alliance highly disagrees with this state of affairs, and would prefer a system where all religions and beliefs are seen as equal. This is a vision that all Alliance members share. I know in particular the ECA is working on creating mechanisms in which the opposition will be able to hold Government Members to account, and will be launching a campaign on this shortly. You will have to talk to them for details. I hope this answers all your questions, and I'll be happy to respond to any follow up questions you might have. Nick Bird President of Lodamun |
| Date | 08:12:06, July 04, 2015 CET | From | Social Labor Coalition | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, To add to what Mr. Bird remarked on the ECA's mechanism, what the party may propose is a question-and-answer type debate to allow opposition members to formally inquire government ministers and the government coalition in general about specific policies in debate, in vote, in effect, or even in planning. This type of structured question period is fairly common among parliamentary legislatures and does require an opposition against a ruling government party(ies), such as what is generally taking place within the Presidium. Again, the government coalition, or the United Alliance, is based on shared beliefs of secularism and civil rights, so the other parties have the possibility of forming an opposition centered around their ideals of Lodamese Nationalism. We do expect a press release or announcement from the ECA, but if members would like more details of the actual plan, we'd encourage them to send a message to the party. Joim Devany Spokesman for Government Affairs Secretary-General of the PLF Central Committee |
| Date | 10:38:12, July 04, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Alliance | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | M. Speaker, Question time has been launched; http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=441159 David Butterman Deputy Prime Minister of Lodamun |
| Date | 10:51:05, July 04, 2015 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | M. Speaker, Is there more discuss on this topic? When debate is closed, I suggest this bill be put to a vote and passed for purposes of reference. Noctos Moctos URP Leader |
| Date | 21:33:08, July 04, 2015 CET | From | Movement for Percyism | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Does this government promotes a two party system? Isn't that the least democratic system? We rather vote with our conscious, rather then vote in blocs. We certainly do not agree with all the views of LNC, UDHFU or PF. And yes, why shouldn't we vote in favor for good constructive proposals from this current administration? It's a saddening day that the current coalition is trying to split up the country in to two camps. Kathy Percy Chairwoman and MP of MfP |
| Date | 23:31:58, July 04, 2015 CET | From | Court of Shades | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We certainly do not promote a two party system. parties are most certainly free to vote on their conscious, and we would be happy to support MfP's proposals if we deem they are of benefit for the people of Lodamun. We were merely explaining the current divide between government and opposition. I would also like to remind members that the split in the country was largely formed, when the former Nationalistic government tried to force their beliefs on the country. Nick Bird Prime Minister of Lodamun Interim President of Lodamun |
| Date | 23:38:32, July 04, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, these allegations are injust. When did we try to force our beliefs to the people? Last time I checked we made our way-of-life the national religion, but it wasn't compulsary. People weren't forced to follow our belief. Austin Fertig LNC chairman |
| Date | 23:53:23, July 04, 2015 CET | From | Court of Shades | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr Speaker, There were numerous restrictions on the freedoms of other religions! Restricting formation of other schools. Restricting other religions from paying their ministers. Restricting prayer in schools. The Nationalistic Coalition made life very difficult for people who believed in other religions! Sam Riddler Education and Culture Spokesperson of the Shadow Alliance. |
| Date | 23:59:23, July 04, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, restricting others doesn't necessarily mean we forced our believe. Then again, Lodamese Nationalism was set as national religion, but it is more of a way of life. The only reason we had those restrictions, or at least some of the ones mentioned, was to prevent certain religion sto enter the nation, for they only had the purpose of undermining the great system of Lodamese Nationalism. They consider our faith a treath to their religion, not the other way around. Austin Fertig LNC chairman |
| Date | 00:06:13, July 05, 2015 CET | From | Court of Shades | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr Speaker, If that was the case, why then was these restrictions placed on all religions, except Lodamese Nationalism? There are plenty of religions who do not threaten any other religions. (For example, those of us who believe in the Shadow Gods). I simply cannot accept the reasoning Mr Fertig has given here. Nick Bird Prime Minister of Lodamun |
| Date | 00:15:55, July 05, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I'm referring to Hosianism and Septembrism. There is a list of permitted religions. The list is inexhaustive, so any religion may apply. The religion the President is referring to must have never applied. Austin Fertig LNC chairman OOC: I haven't put the list on Wikia apparently, so I'll have to search it. I'll put a link to the bill once I tracked it. |
| Date | 00:19:13, July 05, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | OOC: the list is one of prohibited religions: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=423099 |
| Date | 04:04:32, July 05, 2015 CET | From | Court of Shades | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Thats exactly the problem! People should be able to believe what they what without getting approval, or any interference from the government! Blanket bans on whole types of religions such as monotheism, restrict peoples freedoms far too much. Nick Bird Prime Minister of Lodamun |
| Date | 05:12:10, July 05, 2015 CET | From | Social Labor Coalition | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We have listened carefully to this debate and side unequivocally with the Shadow Alliance's position. For far too long the freedom of religion and separation between religion and state has been usurped, and as the last polls showed, Lodamese citizens do not appreciate blanket bans and government encroachments on their freedoms. The United Alliance coalition fights for what they believe in - a civil society based not on fear and blind state-worship, but prosperity in freedoms of expression and religion. We find the Lodamese Nationalistic Committee backwards on their belief in fascistic nationalism. Again, it's the peoples' mandate to have a government of their choice - not the government's mandate to have a people of its choosing. C. T. Edwards Chairwoman of the PLF |
| Date | 07:26:30, July 05, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, again Nationalism is misinterpreted. For centuries all went well in Lodamun, because of Lodamese Nationalism. Each time there was freedom of religion, we had one or more groups from abroad trying to throw over the system by doctrinating the citizens with their socalled believes. If we put the State as our most important good, no such thing can happen. It was designed to protect the Nation, not a specific political system. Austin Fertig LNC chairman |
| Date | 09:45:53, July 05, 2015 CET | From | Movement for Percyism | To | Debating the Discussion on Coalitions |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We as Percyists believe that religion should be tolerated in Lodamun, yet we do believe that they should get a formal approval from the government. They should be checked if the Religion -that applies for recognition- would not call for violence nor anarchy within our country or worldwide. There are many sects in this world that should be kept out of Lodamun. This government will only invite them in by their lack of control over religion. Kathy Percy Chairwoman MfP |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 312 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 176 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 111 |
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