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Bill: OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party of Hutori
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3969
Description[?]:
| Okay first off this entire thread is OOC so no need to respond as your party, your responses are from your purely. I've been going over a few ideas in my head to spark activity ans generate RP in our little corner of Particracy. One thing that ive always noted in the past is the one thing promised to generate activity and such is conflict. With that in mind i want to begin laying the groundwork for a possible Continent spanning Empire pr Union that ks brought around via possible war or diplomacy. So give me any feedback on the possibility pf this... and yes dont worry i will be reaching out to both Telamon and Davostan |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:43:51, September 08, 2015 CET | From |  Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | And please i would like feedback from EVERY party |
| Date | 19:18:25, September 08, 2015 CET | From | Liberal League | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Honestly I am not sure I will be active enough to do this... |
| Date | 19:26:25, September 08, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | And if you aren't that's okay. Its more so if i pushed Hutori in that direction wpuld you be willing to aupport it from a legislative standpoint or in general, i dont mind being the point man so to speak |
| Date | 10:48:52, September 09, 2015 CET | From | Bright Future | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | I would be willing to back the means and methods of doing this, I can't promise to be active 24/7 but it sounds fun. |
| Date | 21:45:10, September 09, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | excellent, just looking for feedback from HNA and HRA |
| Date | 15:39:38, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Hutori Republican Alliance | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | How would a conflist like this be simulated? There isn't an ingame mechanism is there? |
| Date | 15:39:49, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Hutori Republican Alliance | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | conflict* |
| Date | 18:39:34, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | No unfortunately all "conflicts" and "wars" need to be RPed on the forum. That's why OOC Agreements between both sides need to be made in advance so both sides understand the outcome ahead of time so that there is no godmodding or anything else. Effectively for this to work we wpuld need to A) agree internally this is a route we want to go and then reach a separate agreement with whomever we were going to RP the conflict with.. Davostan in this case. |
| Date | 18:44:54, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Hutori Republican Alliance | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Hmm, yeah this could have some interesting implications for the HRA, I would find it fun. |
| Date | 18:56:53, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Perfect! Only want to hear from the HNA then ill reaxh out to Davostan. And it'll definitely have interesting implications for our parties IC, it will add a new dynamic to how we react not only to the government but to the war irself and the possibility of extending Hutorian territory espceially for peaceniks like the HRA and LL |
| Date | 19:21:48, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Hutori Republican Alliance | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | I was thinking that there could be a distinct possibility of republicans working within Hutori in favor of Davostan as well, in an attempt to use the war as an opportunity to arm ourselves and work to over throw the monarchy. In a similar way to how people speculated that Irish republicans would possibly attempt such a thing during WWII. |
| Date | 20:06:58, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Aye also a good plot! See we are generating plots for RP lol this is what i like! |
| Date | 20:55:03, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Hutori National Alliance | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Ill back in principle, but again I am busier than expected at the moment. |
| Date | 21:17:13, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Excellent what i wanted to hear. Like I've said i don't mind if people are busy and can't actively participate i can spearhead the efforts. But i want to make sureeveryone was behind the idea of the plan :) and as an FYI to everyone, there is no promise Davostan will be for what we are proposing... but i wanted yo make sure everyone would support it when it finally comes up. |
| Date | 17:55:05, September 23, 2015 CET | From | United Democratic Action Party | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | May I ask what is the benefit of this? |
| Date | 18:16:24, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | To generate activity and RP. In game it doesn't accomplish much aside from possible changing yhe titles of our Head of State and title of our countries. Our political parties will still create bills and debate that affect us in game and we will still hold elections just like before. But a union or empire will generate increased activity between us and outside nations. During thr late 3700s and late 3800s the Jelbic Empire in Majatra generated a lot of RP and activity on that continent with plenty kf nations wanting to involve thems kn RP. The idea is to generate that kind of avtivity here on Makon. As am example lets say a Royalist Party in your nation returned uour nation to a Monarchy and succeeded. Then the two Royal Familes marry and the heir became King of both who then unites the two into a Pan Makon Empire. That generates RP all by itself. Then the new Emperor gets greedy and wants to incorporate Telamon ibto thr Empire sparking a Cold War or conflict... again sparks RP amd activity. Other nations may involve themselves either supporting a independent Telamon or the Imperial Makon... gets more people involved. Thats just an example. The point is to garner interest, activity and game play. Hell Davostan wouldn't even have to change much. It could literally change apart of yhe HoS title to King so and so as Represented by the President that way uour keeping your elected HoS and connecting our two nations... again jusy examples and possibilities |
| Date | 10:17:25, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Uncertain about this. How will this be accomplished, and how will we "convince" the other parties this is a thing? |
| Date | 17:36:44, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Well im glad we are talking at least about this lol. Okay we start off here. So far both of our nations have similar foreign policies and immigration stances. We launch a series of state visits to renew ties between our natikns and realize we have a lot of common ground on stuff. We create a more formal co-operation and diplomatic treaty which helps brings us closer together. Our nationd continue cooperating and we see thr way thr world is goijg, increased tensions between nations, threats of war, even seeing the perceived foreign influence of Trigunia over Telamon. To stop the possible spectre of being bullied by foreign powers and to increase our own joint security we make a more comprehensive treaty betweem us for defenxe and stuff bringing our nations closer and closer. Eventually it gets to yhe point where talks yo making a more formal political union between our nations is developed... mind you this is after a fewin game years of RP. It won't be quick, but if people are willing to come together between our two nations alone it creates possible decades worth of RP and activity alone. |
| Date | 23:59:22, September 29, 2015 CET | From | Kommunistiskt Världsparti (KVP) | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | At the current state of affairs, we here at Nationalsocialisterna av Telamon, are uncertain whether this is a good idea or not because of the many differences between our cultures. |
| Date | 00:04:46, September 30, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | OoC: remember this is an OOC topic, not an IC topic. Its more of a, wpuld you personally think this os a good idea down the road |
| Date | 00:19:59, September 30, 2015 CET | From | Kommunistiskt Världsparti (KVP) | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | OOC:I don't really know if it's a good idea. How about some BLITZKRIEG instead? |
| Date | 01:03:13, September 30, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | OOC: you'll note i did point out war as a possible harbinger of such a union lol... diplomacy is only one such route. |
| Date | 09:49:33, October 01, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | I guess you have the Davostan support in your method of creating this united utopia/evil empire or whatever. |
| Date | 12:58:49, October 01, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | OOc: excellent. Then lets get started on the ground work |
| Date | 11:54:22, October 02, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | How do we proceed exactly? |
| Date | 13:45:48, November 10, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Is this still going to be a thing anymore? |
| Date | 14:13:27, November 10, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | It can be if people want it to be since im back now. Would you like yo proceed? |
| Date | 11:32:52, November 13, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | I would like to know which one we are going for. United Federation of Makon, Unholy Empire of Makon or other. Then we can maybe reflect our roleplay based on that. If we choose Empire, we may want to authorise a military coup in one of the states, who'll then proceed to conquer the rest of the other nations for example. |
| Date | 15:06:30, November 13, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Why not do both? We begin with a Federation and have a military/imperialist coup of the Federation leadership or something similar and have it evolve into an Empire |
| Date | 15:10:26, November 13, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Would be nice. The only problem would be the CPT in Telamon. They'll continuously object to a continental union, especially including Davostan and Hutori. |
| Date | 15:28:43, November 13, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | We dont need to include Telamon for now. We just get our own natikns move towards it... if the CPT dont like it, then tough lol. They can object until the cows come home. Lets start with fostering relations with ours first and moving to a possible "Western Macon Federation" and we'll go from there :) |
| Date | 15:44:15, November 13, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the OOC: Pan-Macon/Makon Union/Empire (ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ AND COMMENT) |
| Message | Alright, then that's fine. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 120 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 480 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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