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Bill: OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Ação Progressiva
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4159
Description[?]:
| About Tukarali: Tukarali is a Portuguese-speaking country built and developed by immigrants from Artania, Seleya, Majatra and Dovani. In this sense, it can be considered to be the game's equivalent of Brazil and is extremely diverse. Ethnicity: Tukarali has a mixed-race society consisting of Brancos (Whites), Pardos (Mixed-race people), Pretos (Blacks) and Orientais (Easterners). • Brancos (36%) ---> 36,000,000 --- Descendência Lusitâniana [Portuguese] (58%) ---> 20,880,000 --- Descendência Istaliana [Italian] (17%) ---> 6,120,000 --- Descendência Egeliana [Spanish] (9%) ---> 3,240,000 --- Descendência Canrilliana [French] (6%) ---> 2,160,000 --- Descendência Duntrekker [Afrikaaner] (5%) ---> 1,800,000 --- Descendência Valruziana [Polish] (4%) ---> 1,440,000 --- Descendência Luthoriana [English] (1%) ---> 360,000 • Pardos (25%) ---> 25,000,000 • Pretos (24%) ---> 24,000,000 --- Descendência Ibutho [Zulu] (40%) ---> 9,600,000 --- Descendência Watembo [Swahili] (37%) ---> 8,880,000 --- Descendência Kuragao [Pan-African] (13%) ---> 3,120,000 --- Descendência Asli [West African / Central African] (10%) ---> 2,400,000 • Orientais (14%) ---> 14,000,000 --- Descendência Sekowana [Japanese] (55%) ---> 7,700,000 --- Descendência Aldegarana [Iranian] (24%) ---> 3,360,000 --- Descendência Indralana [Chinese] (21%) ---> 2,940,000 • Indígena (1%) ---> 1,000,000 Language: The official language of Tukarali is Tukarêse (Portuguese). • Tukarêse (96%) [Portuguese] • Istaliana (23%) [Italian] • Luthoriana (20%) [English] • Egeliana (12%) [Spanish] • Ibutho (6%) [Zulu] • Canrilliana (6%) [French] • Watembo (6%) [Swahili] • Sekowana (6%) [Japanese] • Aldegarana (2%) [Persian] • Indralana (2%) [Chinese] • Kuragao (2%) [Pan-African languages] • Asli (2%) [West African / Central African languages] • Duntrekker (2%) [Afrikaans] • Valruziana (1%) [Polish] • Lenguas indigenas (1%) [Indigenous languages] Religion: • Religious Population: 77% • Non-Religious Population: 23% • Aurorian Patriarchal Church [Roman Catholicism] (62%) • Inkolo Esintsundu Sizwe Syncretism [Syncretism of Terran and real world African World religions] (11%) • Ahmadism [Islam] (7%) • Ameliorate Church of Saridan [Reformed Calvinism] (6%) • Kamism [Shinto] (6%) • Kanzo [Monotheistic Tukarese Religion] (3%) • Yazdism [Zoroastrianism] (2%) • Guidao/Jienism [Chinese folk religion and Confucianism] (2%) • Daenism [Buddhism] 2% • Indigenous beliefs (1%) Guidelines: • The names of political parties should be in Portuguese • The names of vast majority of characters/'candidates'/politicians should be Portuguese • A small number of Portuguese names mixed with Italian/African/Japanese/Iranian/Chinese/French/Afrikaaner/English first or surnames may be permitted, but it is suggested these are mixed with Portuguese forenames or surnames Important Links: Cultural Protocols bill passed: Game Rules: Cultural Protocols Index: Forum: |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:04:15, December 05, 2016 CET | From | Partido Social Democrata | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: It would be great to establish cultural protocols based on Brazil for this nation! You can count on me! |
| Date | 21:45:42, December 05, 2016 CET | From | Partido Nacional Conservador | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: We do support this, but dont forget to see all the requirements for that in the forums |
| Date | 22:18:07, December 05, 2016 CET | From | Partido Popular | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | we support too |
| Date | 23:39:23, December 05, 2016 CET | From | União Democrática do Tukarali | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: The used to be cultural protocols, but unfortunately they lapsed at the time when they were supposed to be renewed, which was at least partly my fault, because I was the only party in the nation around then but not very active, and when I was briefly inactivated I didn't quite meet the criteria for being able to renew the protocols before the deadline. The "original" culture of Tukarali was Asian (some mixture of Indonesian, Japanese, Chinese etc.) and Portuguese was over time adopted as the first language, which was adopted into a cultural protocol a while ago. Personally I liked the fact that Tukarali didn't have a one to one counterpart in the real world but was in a way a unique mixture, but for further details I'll have to trawl the legislative back history to see if some of the discussions from back then survived. |
| Date | 10:24:31, December 06, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Reading the forum, is Tukarali bound partly by its previous protocols or are we free to propose whatever we want? I am confused because one thing I read on the forum suggests the former, while the latter was suggested by something else I read.. |
| Date | 13:54:03, December 06, 2016 CET | From |   Moderation | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | Just to clarify, Tukarali is currently Culturally Open so it is not bound by its previous Cultural Protocol. For more information on creating a Cultural Protocol in a Culturally Open nations, see sections 16 & 17 of the Game Rules: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6363 ~ Aquinas |
| Date | 15:27:00, December 06, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: So, in effect, we can adopt whatever culture we want and establish whatever demographics we want, regardless of the previous cultural protocol? |
| Date | 17:10:36, December 06, 2016 CET | From | União Democrática do Tukarali | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Yes, it is up to us to create a culture. Personally I would like to build on the previous culture, but I'm open to new ideas. |
| Date | 17:21:20, December 06, 2016 CET | From | União Democrática do Tukarali | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: I found this regarding the last cultural protocol: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=418992 That protocol was quite brief, but the discussion might be interesting Also related to the then cultural protocol is this discussion: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=399915 |
| Date | 17:30:04, December 06, 2016 CET | From | União Democrática do Tukarali | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC. Oh, and this ist the actual bill establishing the most recent cultural protocols: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=420804 |
| Date | 17:52:47, December 06, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Admittedly, I am quite strongly against having an Asian element to the country. There are a number of firmly-established Asian countries in this game and I don't think having another would benefit Particracy. Some particular players battled hard for Dranland (now Dankuk) to become Korean and for Hulstria to become Mikuni-Harusutoria (Japanese). Also, Sekowo is Japanese and Indrala is Chinese. Far-eastern influences have also spread to Kafuristan - so they're well represented. My own personal vision for Tukarali would be to based it roughly on Brazil. By this I mean confirming the Portuguese language as the national language, and having a mixed-race population consisting of blacks, whites, mixed-race people and an indigenous people (maybe these could be Asian-inspired?). This game is seriously lacking a South American-style country - we could fill that void by mimicking Brazil. Nonetheless, while I've played Particracy for more years than I'd care to admit, I am new to Tukarali so maybe it is not my place to argue. |
| Date | 17:59:36, December 06, 2016 CET | From | Partido Nacional Conservador | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Current stats on brazil pop Brancos (47.51%) Pardos (43.42%) Pretos (7.52%) Amarelos (1.1%) Indígenas (0.42%) Just to help in that part |
| Date | 18:07:34, December 06, 2016 CET | From | Partido Nacional Conservador | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | Also, if we do become a brazilian culture with portuguese as main language, i do suport translanting our motto and our anthem to portuguese. |
| Date | 18:53:17, December 06, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: I think there will be, at the very least, a consensus that we should set in stone the Portuguese language as the official language. The area which usually sparks most debates is deciding the ethnic composition of the country - I think we should focus on that first so we can get it out of the way. |
| Date | 09:29:41, December 07, 2016 CET | From | União Democrática do Tukarali | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Having an Asian background to Tukarese cultural certainly has something to do with being used to it. I haven't created it and I won't go to the barricades for defending it. However, I don't mind having Brazil as an inspiration, but I would be opposed to mimick it too closely. Using Portuguese is certainly fine with me, and translating the motto and anthem would also be. As for the ethnic composition: why don't we increase the Asian element (to say 15%) and adjust the other numbers accordingly. That would avoid being a carbon copy of Brazil, would also avoid being a a dominantly Asian-themed nation (I quite understand the wish to avoid creating - or re-creating - yet another Asian nation), while it still leaves some vestiges of Tukarali's former culture (which would make me happy). We should also consider out neighbouring nations and their cultures, if they have any. Many nations in the real world have minorities from their neighbouring countries within their borders. To our south is Tukarali, which has a cultural protocol that defines the nation as Ezadi (Iranian in RL terms) which would crteating an Aldegarian minority relatively easy. I can't find protocols for Baltusia, Gaduridos and Valruzia. Valruzia is currently played as Slavic-themed (looks like Polish to me), but with little effort to define the culture. For Baltusia and Gaduridos I couldn't find any hints at their respective cultures. |
| Date | 11:31:13, December 07, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: UDT, I support your proposal of having the Asian minority at 15% or so. Countries with three main ethnic groups are often very interesting indeed - New Endralon, for example, or Switzerland in real life. I would also be up for having an equal balance between whites and blacks, since blacks are severely under-represented in this game. As for minorities, we should definitely include Aldegarians (Iranians). As for our other neighbours, Valruzia was based on Poland, Baltusia used to be Spanish/Latin America and Gaduridos used to be Spanish-Italian-English. It seems, sadly these countries' cultural protocols have expired, and, with the exception of Valruzia, they have all reverted to a vague Anglo-American culture. To overcome this we could either throw in Polish, Spanish, Italian and English minorities, or we could look further afield. For example, it could be interesting to include Duntrekkers from Saridan, a Canrillaise element (from Alduria, Kanjor and Rildanor), or even an Artanian (German) minority since historically they did all of the early colonising along with Luthori (English). Or even, we could simply say that the Spanish could have come from Egelion, the Italians came from Istalia (I personally would like an Italian minority) and the English from Luthori, Hutori or Mordusia. |
| Date | 17:08:23, December 08, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Should I start putting something together in the description section and then if anyone has any objections/suggestions they can voice them? Otherwise, this will be a really lengthy process. |
| Date | 03:03:08, December 09, 2016 CET | From | Partido Nacional Conservador | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Yes please |
| Date | 21:50:09, December 09, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: I will start work on something on Monday, I will keep you all posted. |
| Date | 12:43:14, December 12, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: What do people think of this? • Brancos (36%) • Pretos (31%) • Pardos (18%) • Orientais (14%) - I don't like the term "Amarelos" • Indígenas (1%) |
| Date | 09:36:51, December 14, 2016 CET | From | União Democrática do Tukarali | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Seems fine to me |
| Date | 00:05:45, December 17, 2016 CET | From | Partido Nacional Conservador | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: I think Theres should be more Pardos than Blacks, so we stay more close to our current reality |
| Date | 18:31:54, December 19, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: I have made some further adjustments to the ethnicity section. |
| Date | 16:25:24, December 20, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Updated languages. There are variations based on the popularity of second-languages (i.e. Luthorian - the game's main language and language of the main coloniser of the planet (Luthori); French - due to our proximity to three French-speaking countries; Italian - due to Istalian immigration), similarities with other languages (Spanish) as well as languages not being passed on to the next generation. |
| Date | 12:36:17, December 22, 2016 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: So is Tukarali going to be Catholic like Portugal and Brazil or is it going to be Protestant since the Portuguese-speaking population originally came from Darnussia (or so the wiki suggests)? |
| Date | 12:53:09, January 30, 2017 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Is anyone up for trying to get the culture confirmed? |
| Date | 15:17:24, January 31, 2017 CET | From | Ação Progressiva | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocols (First Attempt: 31/01/2017) |
| Message | OOC: Because I have recently reactivated my party I'm not sure that I meet the criteria in order to actually pass cultural protocols. Due to this, I will use this vote to gage whether people support this vision for Tukarali's culture. If it does pass with the required majority it can be copied and pasted and passed by another player in order for it to be confirmed. If it fails then please voice suggestions in regard to how it can be improved or your reason for opposing it. I've spent a considerable amount of time putting this together! :) Thanks all. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 115 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 60 |
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