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Bill: OOC: Immediate Anthem Change.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Центральная партия
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 4208
Description[?]:
| It is extremely clear that the anthem here is a copy and paste of the Imperial Anthem of the Russian Tsardom, within it there are mentions of Russia, which should not be directly referenced in the game. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The lyrics of the national anthem.
Old value:: PRE-REFORMED RODSHYAN Боже, Царя храни! Сильный, державный, Царствуй на славу, на славу намъ! Царствуй на страхъ врагамъ, Царь православный! Боже, Царя храни! Боже, Царя храни! Славному долги дни Дай на земли! Дай на земли! Гордыхъ смирителю, Слабыхъ хранителю, Всѣхъ утѣ́шителю Все ниспошли! Перводержавную Русь православную, Боже, храни! Боже, храни! Царство ей стройное, Въ силѣ спокойное! Все-жъ недостойное прочь отжени! Воинство бранное, Славой избранное, Боже, храни! Боже, храни! Воинамъ-мстителямъ, Чести спасителямъ, Миротворителямъ долгiе дни! Мирныхъ воителей, Правды блюстителей Боже, храни! Боже, храни! Жизнь ихъ примѣрную Нелицемѣрную, Доблестямъ вѣрную воспомяни! О, Провидѣнiе! Благословенiе Намъ ниспошли! Намъ ниспошли! Къ благу стремленiе, Въ счастьѣ смиренiе, Въ скорби терпѣнiе дай на земли! Будь намъ заступникомъ, Вѣрнымъ сопутникомъ Насъ провожай! Насъ провожай! Свѣтло-прелестная, Жизнь поднебесная, Сердцу извѣстная, сердцу сіяй! REFORMED RODSHYAN Боже, Царя храни! Сильный, державный, Царствуй на славу, на славу нам! Царствуй на страх врагам, Царь православный! Боже, Царя храни! Боже, Царя храни! Славному долги дни Дай на земли! Дай на земли! Гордых смирителю, Слабых хранителю, Всех утешителю Все ниспошли! Перводержавную Русь православную, Боже, храни! Боже, храни! Царство ей стройное, В силе спокойное! Все-ж недостойное прочь отжени! Воинство бранное, Славой избранное, Боже, храни! Боже, храни! Воинам-мстителям, Чести спасителям, Миротворителям долгие дни! Мирных воителей, Правды блюстителей Боже, храни! Боже, храни! Жизнь их примерную Нелицемерную, Доблестям верную воспомяни! О, Провидение! Благословение Нам ниспошли! Нам ниспошли! К благу стремление, В счастье смирение, В скорби терпение дай на земли! Будь нам заступником, Верным сопутником Нас провожай! Нас провожай! Светло-прелестная, Жизнь поднебесная, Сердцу известная, сердцу сияй!
Current:
| Rodshyan (Russian): My, tryguny – mirnyye lyudi, Serdtsem predannyye rodnoy zemle. Iskrenne druzhim, sily zakalyayem, My v trudolyubivoy, svobodnoy sem'ye. Pripev: Slav'sya, zemli nashey svetloye imya, Slav'sya, narodov bratskiy soyuz! Nasha lyubimaya mat'-Otchizna, Vechno zhivi i tsveti, Tryguniya! Vmeste s brat'yami khrabro vekami My zashchishchali rodnoy porog, V bitvakh za volyu, bitvakh za dolyu Svoye dobyvali znamya pobed! Pripev Druzhba narodov – sila narodov – Nash zavetnyy, solnechnyy put'. Gordo zh vozveysya v yasnyye vysi, Znamya pobednoye – radosti flag! Pripev Luthorian (English): We, Trigunians, are peaceful people, Wholeheartedly devoted to our Motherland. We are faithful friends, growing up Living in a hardworking and independent family. Chorus: Glory to the blessed name of our land, Glory to the brotherly union of peoples! Our dearly beloved Motherland, May you live long and prosper, Trigunia! Together with our brothers, we for centuries Courageously defended our home's threshold. In battles for freedom, and battles for our lot We have won our banners of victory! Chorus Friendship of peoples is the strength of peoples And it is our sacred sunlit path. Proudly we fly in the clear blue skies, The banner of victory, the sunshine's flag! Chorus |
Proposed:
| RODSHYAN Тригуния - наш священный оплот, Тригуния - наша любимая страна. Могучая воля, великая слава - Ваше наследие на все времена! Славься, наша свободная Родина, Древний союз братских народов, Предопределенная мудрость предков! Славься, страна! Мы гордимся тобой! От южных морей до полярного региона Распространяйте наши леса и наши поля. Ты единственный в мире! Вы единственный в своем роде родной край, защищенный Богом! Славься, наша свободная Родина, Древний союз братских народов, Предопределенная мудрость предков! Славься, страна! Мы гордимся тобой! Широкий простор для мечты и для жизни Открыт для нас в ближайшие годы. Наша преданность нашему Отечеству дает нам силу. Так было, так есть, и так будет всегда! Славься, наша свободная Родина, Древний союз братских народов, Предопределенная мудрость предков! Славься, страна! Мы гордимся тобой! LUTHORIAN Trigunia — our sacred stronghold, Trigunia — our beloved country. A mighty will, a great glory — Your heritage for all time! Be glorious, our free Motherland, Ancient union of brotherly nations, Ancestor-given wisdom of the people! Be glorious, country! We take pride in you! From the southern seas to the polar region Spread our forests and our fields. You are the only one in the world! You are the only one of a kind Native land protected by God! Be glorious, our free Motherland, Ancient union of brotherly nations, Ancestor-given wisdom of the people! Be glorious, country! We take pride in you! A broad expanse for dreams and for lives Is opened to us by the coming years. Our devotion to our Fatherland gives us strength. So it was, so it is, and so it will always be! Be glorious, our free Motherland, Ancient union of brotherly nations, Ancestor-given wisdom of the people! Be glorious, country! We take pride in you! |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:42:43, May 07, 2017 CET | From |  НДПСМ | To | Debating the OOC: Immediate Anthem Change. |
| Message | There is only one mention of Russia, and it is not even full - it just says Rus. |
| Date | 14:15:41, May 07, 2017 CET | From | Центральная партия | To | Debating the OOC: Immediate Anthem Change. |
| Message | It doesn't matter, it is a direct copy and paste of the Imperial Russian Anthem. |
| Date | 14:40:12, May 07, 2017 CET | From | НДПСМ | To | Debating the OOC: Immediate Anthem Change. |
| Message | Its the same thing about the new anthem only you changed Russia to Trigunia. You can do something similar with the current anthem and it is the only anthem that makes me feel love for Russia even more than I usually do - the current anthem is just plain shit. I am sorry. Especially the music. |
| Date | 17:05:19, May 07, 2017 CET | From | Sotsialisticheskaya Rabochaya Partiya | To | Debating the OOC: Immediate Anthem Change. |
| Message | Copy pasting an anthem at all is somewhat lazy but if it mentions Russia, it's against the rules. |
| Date | 18:48:30, May 07, 2017 CET | From | Konservativnaya Partiya | To | Debating the OOC: Immediate Anthem Change. |
| Message | OOC: Actually I think you'll find most national anthems in Particracy are copied & pasted from somewhere :). But yeah, if it's mentioning names of real-life countries etc. then obviously that's a problem in terms of the rules. |
| Date | 18:55:02, May 07, 2017 CET | From | Sotsialisticheskaya Rabochaya Partiya | To | Debating the OOC: Immediate Anthem Change. |
| Message | Arguably that's because most players are lazy ;) |
| Date | 19:07:20, May 07, 2017 CET | From | Konservativnaya Partiya | To | Debating the OOC: Immediate Anthem Change. |
| Message | OOC: Some years ago, I went to the effort of writing a national anthem for Aldegar. All on my own. It was beautiful, really good. Or at least I thought so. And do you know what happened? They voted it down ggrrr!! They had no taste, evidently... Hence why I've not tried writing any Particracy national anthems of my own since ;). |
| Date | 23:35:51, May 07, 2017 CET | From | НДПСМ | To | Debating the OOC: Immediate Anthem Change. |
| Message | Can we use this one? http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=506016 I edited it to exchange all reference to Russia to Trigunia, so it is OK by the rules And it is pretty powerful. If google's translation lets you understand the gist of it, you will know. It was the unofficial anthem of Kolchak's White Army. Also, it us to the tune of the farewell of the Slavianka, which is one of the most Russian songs, second only to Kalinka. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 448 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 152 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Moderation will not implement nation renaming requests where the proposed name does not comply with the requirements set out in the Nation Renaming Guide: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6364 |
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