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Bill: Changing the Flag of Saridan
Details
Submitted by[?]: Tasseliese Boere-Unie ☭
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 4298
Description[?]:
| Because this National Socialist rag must be removed |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://www.volkstaat.net/images/storia_boera/bandiere/awb.gif
Current:
| https://i.imgur.com/kF1vFpv.png |
Proposed: http://oi50.tinypic.com/21c9ok9.jpg
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:48:41, November 01, 2017 CET | From |  Tasseliese Boere-Unie ☭ | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | I'm thinking this: http://i50.tinypic.com/21c9ok9.jpg Seems a good blend of Socialism/Communalism and Monarchism/Nationalism |
| Date | 00:12:55, November 02, 2017 CET | From | Monargist Faksie van Seridjan | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | How about we add a crown on the shield with the communist symbol over the crown? |
| Date | 12:19:56, November 02, 2017 CET | From | Nasionale Sosialistiese Werkersfaksie | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | The efforts to destroy our flag and our heritage will not be taken lightly. |
| Date | 12:22:29, November 02, 2017 CET | From | Nasionale Sosialistiese Werkersfaksie | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | OOC: communist monarchism is probably the most retarded thing I've ever heard |
| Date | 17:43:53, November 02, 2017 CET | From | Tasseliese Boere-Unie ☭ | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | OOC: Hey welcome back :) I'm glad you enjoy the idea. I was personally going for more of a Calvinist-Stalinist thing, but being that I'm not a Nazi I like to include others in my planning. Its just a game, fella. I look forward to debating your party IC. |
| Date | 18:11:27, November 02, 2017 CET | From | Rode Thalleristische Beweging | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | OOC: national socialism is probably the most unoriginal thing I've ever heard. |
| Date | 19:27:55, November 02, 2017 CET | From | Le Parti Euphitriens des Tasselistes | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | OOC: I would take your side on that argument. That or copying America |
| Date | 00:34:11, November 03, 2017 CET | From | Nasionale Sosialistiese Werkersfaksie | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | OOC: communist monarchism may be original but it is also so unrealistic we're in la la land. Just silly. |
| Date | 15:29:39, November 03, 2017 CET | From | Rode Thalleristische Beweging | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | OOC: lol i dont like ideas that seem unrealistic cuz creativity sucks too. lmao. |
| Date | 04:46:28, November 04, 2017 CET | From | Tasseliese Boere-Unie ☭ | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | ooc: I'm not sure how unrealistic it is. Consider the glorious Red Czar Josef Stalin, his loyal courtesans in the Politburo and the peasants and serfs who toiled and starved under his rule. |
| Date | 21:50:04, November 04, 2017 CET | From | Nasionale Sosialistiese Werkersfaksie | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | OOC: Stalin wasn't a monarch. He wasn't even the de jure head of state. He simply pulled all strings from a relatively unimportant position within the Communist Party |
| Date | 23:01:55, November 04, 2017 CET | From | Tasseliese Boere-Unie ☭ | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | OOC: True, he wasn't a monarch. True he wasn't de jure head of state. The rest of your statement is fully incorrect. The General Secretary, from 1929 onwards, was the de facto leader of the whole Soviet Union. It controlled both the Communist Party (a big deal in a one-party state) and the Government of the USSR. The Presidium, while the Head of State, wielded almost no power. That's why history does not remember Nikolay Shvernik and he was not at Yalta or Potsdam. General Secretary was an enormously important position. But that's not the issue here. The issue is the flag. |
| Date | 23:04:55, November 04, 2017 CET | From | Tasseliese Boere-Unie ☭ | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | ooc: ah, sorry. It would have been Mikhail Kalinin then, who wasn't at Yalta or Potsdam. As Kruschev later wrote "I don't know what practical work Kalinin carried out under Lenin. But under Stalin he was the nominal signatory of all decrees, while in reality he rarely took part in government business. Sometimes he was made a member of a commission, but people didn't take his opinion into account very much. It was embarrassing for us to see this; one simply felt sorry for Mikhail Ivanovich." |
| Date | 15:29:14, November 05, 2017 CET | From | Monargist Faksie van Seridjan | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | I will be abstaining from this Bill because I support efforts to change the flag but not to the proposed. I have made two designs that I feel represents both sides. |
| Date | 21:55:27, November 05, 2017 CET | From | Tasseliese Boere-Unie ☭ | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | Propose them then so that we may vote. Your abstinence merely is a vote in favor of the continued use of the loathesome Nat-Soc flag. Our apologies for not representing the specific interests of your 47 members. |
| Date | 23:08:17, November 05, 2017 CET | From | Le Parti Euphitriens des Tasselistes | To | Debating the Changing the Flag of Saridan |
| Message | Surely we can put in a replacement flag while we debate a new one, maybe during the convention? Something neutral, like a plain color flag or a sign that reads "Work in Progress" on a piece of cloth? Anything better than what we have now. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 198 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 110 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 47 |
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