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Bill: OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ

Details

Submitted by[?]: ่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ

Status[?]: debate

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Description[?]:

OOC: The following are the active noble clans of Indrala and their controllers. The name in parenthesis denotes which player controls the clan. Those with "open" in parenthesis denote one which any player may control, or you may add your own by leaving its name in the debate section.

Noble titles: (http://bit.ly/NobleTitles)
JDP-901: Act of Restoration: (http://bit.ly/ActofRestoration)

๐“๐ก๐ž ๐ˆ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐š๐ฅ ๐‡๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐:

The Feihua Sun Clan (ๅญซ) (C: WuHรกn) (http://bit.ly/SunClan)
โ†ณ Led by His Imperial and Royal Majesty and Radiant Highness, Sun Jianlong, Son of Heaven, King, Sovereign, and Jianxiao Emperor of Yingdala and of the Yu Dynasty

Family Tree (includes limited genealogy on the Lรผ Clan, House of Ryeo and Suadjakai Clan): (http://bit.ly/ImperialHouseholdFamilyTree)
โ €
๐Œ๐š๐ฃ๐จ๐ซ ๐๐จ๐›๐ฅ๐ž ๐‚๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ฌ:

The Quibashi Wu Clan (ๆญฆ) (C: Liu Che)
โ†ณ Led by Wu Hui, Duke of Shu

The Kaizhou Cheng Clan (้„ญ) (C: pandowlpaws)
โ†ณ Led by Cheng Tai, Duke of Kangkai, Marquis of Mei Cheng Palace

The Haiwan Liang Clan (ๆข) (C: open)

The Guozhou Tan Clan (่ญš) (C: open)

The Mudanwan He Clan (่ณ€) (open)

The Jugang Lรผ Clan (ๅ‘‚) (C: Zhong)
โ†ณ Led by His Grace, Lรผ Jaewoo, Duke of Zhongshi, Duke of Ryeo, and Count of the First Rank
โ†ณ Family Tree: (http://www.familyecho.com/?p=START&c=wbtknvjqti&f=915529804536887906)

The Shencheng Tao Clan (้™ถ) (C: chrisfranz)
โ†ณ Led by Tao Jing

๐๐ž๐ญ๐ญ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐›๐ฅ๐ž ๐‚๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ฌ:
๐ถ๐‘™๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘  ๐‘คโ„Ž๐‘–๐‘โ„Ž ๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘›๐‘œ๐‘ก ๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘ ๐‘Ž๐‘š๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘”๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘  ๐‘š๐‘Ž๐‘—๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘›๐‘œ๐‘๐‘™๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘™๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘ , ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘œ๐‘ข๐‘”โ„Ž ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘ฆ ๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘๐‘œ๐‘”๐‘›๐‘–๐‘ง๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘Ž๐‘  ๐‘›๐‘œ๐‘๐‘–๐‘™๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘ฆ ๐‘›๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘’๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘™๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘ .

The Tian'an Byeon/Bian Clan (๋ณ€/้‚Š) (C: Open)
โ†ณ Kyo-Indralan Clan formed out of the result of Byeon Woo-bin's marriage to Princess Fengmian; Indralanized as "Bian"

The Dongjing Yi Clan (ๆ˜“) (C: WuHรกn)
โ†ณ Led by Viscount Yi Liancheng of the First Rank
โ†ณ (http://bit.ly/YiClanGenealogy)

The Xujing Yun Clan (ไบ‘) (C: WuHรกn)

The ฤinh Clan (Indralanization: ไธ) (C: WuHรกn)
โ†ณ Branch of the Kimlien ruling household

The Lanbao Hitara Clan (แกฅแกณแกจแ  แกตแ   แกฅแ  แ ฏแ  ; Indralanization: ๅ–œๅก”่…Š) (C: WuHรกn)
โ†ณ Bianjin Clan

๐‡๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ/๐ˆ๐ง๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ž ๐‚๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ฌ:
๐ถ๐‘™๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘  ๐‘คโ„Ž๐‘–๐‘โ„Ž ๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘š๐‘ฆ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘–๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘™ ๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ โ„Ž๐‘–๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘™, ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘คโ„Ž๐‘–๐‘โ„Ž ๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘›๐‘œ ๐‘™๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘”๐‘’๐‘Ÿ ๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘ฃ๐‘’ ๐‘–๐‘› ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘š๐‘๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘ฆ ๐ผ๐‘›๐‘‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘Ž๐‘™๐‘Ž.

Clan Liu (ๅŠ‰) (bit.ly/ClanLiu)
Clan Deng (้„ง) (http://bit.ly/ClanDeng)
Clan Yu (่ญฝ)
โ†ณ The first native Kings of Indrala, all Sons of Heaven have previously claimed descent from this line.
Clan Ji (็ด€) (http://bit.ly/YanshengDynastyList)
โ†ณ Descendants of Ji Enzi, founder of Jienist thought

๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ง๐ญ ๐…๐š๐ฆ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ:
๐น๐‘Ž๐‘š๐‘–๐‘™๐‘–๐‘’๐‘  ๐‘คโ„Ž๐‘–๐‘โ„Ž ๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘›๐‘œ๐‘ก ๐‘š๐‘’๐‘š๐‘๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘  ๐‘œ๐‘“ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘›๐‘œ๐‘๐‘–๐‘™๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘ฆ, ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘œ๐‘ข๐‘”โ„Ž ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘ฆ โ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘ฃ๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘ ๐‘–๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘™๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘ค๐‘’๐‘Ÿ, ๐‘ค๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘™๐‘กโ„Ž ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘”๐‘’.

The Hazhou Wang Family (ๆฑช)
โ†ณ Owners of Xiandai Group

The Mudanwan Tang Family (ๆนฏ)
โ†ณ Largest shareholders of TQ Group

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date09:21:41, January 15, 2018 CET
Fromๅฐ‡่ป้ปจ (The Military Party) ๐ŸŽ–๏ธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageWhat clans are able to be used? Or can we make our own? Because I'd love to use one!

Date16:56:10, January 15, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageSorry, I forgot to add back on the existing "open" clans. If one of those names doesn't interest you, feel free to add your own!

Date21:27:45, January 15, 2018 CET
Fromๅงฌๆฉ้ปจ (Jien Party) ๐ŸŒพ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageClan Ji (controlled by the players in Yingdala on a rotating basis)

Date04:51:44, January 16, 2018 CET
From ็คพๆœƒๆฐ‘ไธป้ปจ (Social Dem. Party) ๐ŸŽ‹
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageIโ€™ll take Clan Cheng.

Date03:21:32, January 17, 2018 CET
Fromๅฐ‡่ป้ปจ (The Military Party) ๐ŸŽ–๏ธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageCould I take Clan He?

Date22:45:01, January 18, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageAll added!

Date01:24:43, January 19, 2018 CET
Fromๅงฌๆฉ้ปจ (Jien Party) ๐ŸŒพ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: we should actually eliminate the duchy for the Sun Clan since heir apparents, according to the Classics, never held fiefdoms, plus it opens up duchies to other clans to control.

Date01:25:41, January 19, 2018 CET
Fromๅงฌๆฉ้ปจ (Jien Party) ๐ŸŒพ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: I am basing this on the fact that we are going to make the Suns monarchs

Date03:19:46, January 20, 2018 CET
Fromๆ„›ๅœ‹็คพๆœƒ (Patriotic Society) ๐Ÿ›ก๏ธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: I'm seeking input on the idea of the Ryeo having a role that, at least currently, is not true nobility but that is something lesser that could evolve to something more meaningful on a level like the native clans in the future. If I were to go this direction the "Indralan Ryeo" would led by Ryeo Yejun, born in Indrala at the beginning of Ryeo exile.

I don't know what kind of precedent there is for this kind of idea and I'm still considering the implications.

Date14:26:35, January 20, 2018 CET
Fromๅงฌๆฉ้ปจ (Jien Party) ๐ŸŒพ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Well, given that, in ancient China, half the nobility were essentially Sinicized non-"Central Plains/Yellow River/Huaxia" (which included the Zhou Dynasty royal family, the Qin Dynasty royal family, and probably the Han Dynasty royal family), I think that it would be perfectly fine. They would just need to really Yingdalacize and essentially drop most Dankuk everything.

Date16:35:52, January 20, 2018 CET
Fromๆ„›ๅœ‹็คพๆœƒ (Patriotic Society) ๐Ÿ›ก๏ธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: I see. I think I may go that route and as far as things are concerned related to Dankuk, any future Ryeo activity there would have to come from a different branch of the family. This works well with how detached the first- and second-in-line have become regarding Dankuk.

Date16:53:45, January 20, 2018 CET
Fromๅงฌๆฉ้ปจ (Jien Party) ๐ŸŒพ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Sounds great! So then the Ryeo in Indrala could change their surname to whatever the translation of Ryeo is from Korean to Chinese. Or they could change it to some transliteration. Liu could actually work transliteration wise.

Date17:22:45, January 20, 2018 CET
Fromๅงฌๆฉ้ปจ (Jien Party) ๐ŸŒพ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: I also suggest that we create a Yu (่ญฝ)Clan from which all Sons of Heaven have previously claimed descent. The Yu Clan were the first native Indralan kings, the Kings of Gemu-Erka (which did not occupy all of Indrala). They can be like the semi-mythical Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors, from which most Chinese dynasties claimed descent.

Date18:09:21, January 20, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Updated! (I assumed it would be fair to add the Yu Clan to the historical section?)

Date18:12:03, January 20, 2018 CET
Fromๅงฌๆฉ้ปจ (Jien Party) ๐ŸŒพ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Yeah, I doubt anyone could even determine the leadership of that clan with historical documents.

Date22:45:38, January 20, 2018 CET
Fromๆ„›ๅœ‹็คพๆœƒ (Patriotic Society) ๐Ÿ›ก๏ธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: I looked over the different transliterations between Korean/Chinese surnames and I think I'll go with the Ryeo becoming the Lรผ (ๅ‘‚) Clan. As it stands, current members of this "clan" will retain the Ryeo name but probably with the next or following generation it will officially change.

Date22:49:39, January 20, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: For purposes of this document, would it be accurate to describe the Lรผ Clan as a cadet clan of the House of Ryeo then?

Date22:52:28, January 20, 2018 CET
Fromๆ„›ๅœ‹็คพๆœƒ (Patriotic Society) ๐Ÿ›ก๏ธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: That is probably the best way to describe it. Technically the direct line for the Dranian throne is still with the head of the Lรผ Clan but in practice legitimacy will be elsewhere from this point, effectively making them like a cadet branch I suppose.

Date23:03:58, January 20, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Alright, let me know if the changes I added don't reflect your clan accurately.

I added the direct relatives of Sun Yijun, since it is the Imperial Household and should be public knowledge. This could also be done for all of the other clans, but would require players to keep me updated. Thoughts?

Date00:30:43, January 21, 2018 CET
From ็คพๆœƒๆฐ‘ไธป้ปจ (Social Dem. Party) ๐ŸŽ‹
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: For Clan Cheng, the family's head is Cheng Yuhan. I just didn't introduce a few family members in my post

Date00:40:18, January 21, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Updated!

Date15:22:39, January 27, 2018 CET
Fromๅงฌๆฉ้ปจ (Jien Party) ๐ŸŒพ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Also, the Wu Clan uses the surname (ๆญฆ).

Date04:48:45, January 28, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Updated, thanks!

Date21:37:35, May 12, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: I'm considering taking control of a secondary noble clan to try and spur additional nobility RP. I will probably create a new one in the next few days.

Date11:35:00, May 16, 2018 CET
Fromไฟๅฎˆๅ…š (Conservative Party)
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC; Can I take Clan Liang?

Date11:37:59, May 16, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Sure! Updated!

Date23:20:38, May 23, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: since they left one day after, the Liang clan will be opened.

Date15:50:30, June 12, 2018 CET
Fromๅœ‹ๆฐ‘ไธป้ปจNationalist Democratic Party
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Can I take Clan Tan? Thanks!

Date16:38:19, June 12, 2018 CET
Fromๅœ‹ๆฐ‘ไธป้ปจNationalist Democratic Party
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Also, is there a Cantonese region? If so, I'd request that Clan Tan gets renamed to Clan Tam (Canto-pronunciation)

Date18:30:46, June 12, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC/RP: (Updated: May 4432) Families and Noble Clans of Indrala ๐ŸŒณ
MessageOOC: Updated! The Cultural Protocol of Indrala describes the Indralan language as strictly Mandarin however, so I will probably keep it as is.

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