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Bill: Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Reform Party of Hutori
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 5334
Description[?]:
| Implement a full parliamentary democratic system. Article 1.1: The Head of State shall be a single person to fill the role in only a symbolic capacity, no public funds or government funds would be allocated for the performing of this role, and the role carries no special status or privileges to the holder, other than access to the parliamentary precinct to observe legislative proceedings. Article 1.2: No family members of the Head of State would be eligible for special status, and the Head of State is appointed by the governing party for only the term in which that party is in power, and is not hereditary. All new governments would be required to appoint a new Head of State, or they can renew the appointment of a previous selection. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: President of the Republic
Current: His Imperial and Most Excellent Royal Majesty, Richard II of House Steuart-Carmichael, Sovereign of the Royal Commonwealth, King and Monarch of Hutori, High Chieftain of the Mashacara People, Khan of Estifíesti, Protector of the Pylztryznyrék, Prince of Orange-Vilyan, Vanuku, Dolgava, Lourenne, Kazullia & Dorvik, Grand Duke of Geharon & Iztapalata, Duke of Stormkapp, Karzon, Carolleux, Bellemont & Alcarie, Count of Ackerly, Lord Sovereign of the Order of the Golden Lion, Master of the Knightly Order of St. Michael, Peer of the Order of the Grey Smoke, Supreme Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the Commonwealth
Proposed: Prime Minister
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: National Senate
Current: House of Parliament
Proposed: House of Commons
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:02:22, July 17, 2023 CET | From | 🧡 Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, we have a parliamentary republic with a figurehead President. Combined, Article 1 & 2 will make an elected Prime Minister, which is an odd system. The Liberal Party is opposed to Article 2 and 3. However, we remain open to the idea of combining the roles of the Head of State and Government. Will the Reform Party kindly provide their argumentation for wanting such a change? |
| Date | 21:46:48, July 17, 2023 CET | From | Reform Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, we thank the Liberals for their comments. We believe article 1 and 2 together makes sense. A figurehead leader is not necessary, and wastes taxpayer dollars for no material gain for the nation. We feel it would be best to do away with a useless and symbolic President and have a fully elected government structure with an elected Prime Minister leading it, to ensure full accountability. The actual name of the legislative assembly in article 3 is not a major issue and we would remove that, but we were seeking a name that better represents the common people rather than a name usually associated with appointed, unelected and unaccountable officials. |
| Date | 22:22:28, July 17, 2023 CET | From | 🧡 Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, likewise thanks to the Reform Party for the explanation. Quite often in recent Hutori history, we have had a situation in which the President is of a different party than that of the coalition government of the day. The current situation also matches that phenomenon. Would it not be strange if, given the situation, the Prime Minister elected under this proposal would be from the National Progress Party, and yet his Cabinet Ministers will be Conservatives and Reformists? |
| Date | 03:38:58, July 18, 2023 CET | From | Reform Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, we agree with that. In looking at it again I think the best way is to move back to a monarchy like system, but with the head of state being merely symbolic and getting no public funds (OOC: Not like the situation they have in the UK which, without disrespect, is pretty much a taxpayer funded reality TV show). I have amended this bill to do this. |
| Date | 07:46:14, July 18, 2023 CET | From | 🧡 Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, once again I thank the Reformists for their eagerness to debate these matters. Hutori had a monarchy, which was not-so-long ago abolished by a broad consensus. To re-instate the monarchy again would be in our view not only damaging to the consistency and reputation of Hutori, but also wrong. We are willing to discuss, and likely support, a strong Presidential republic, but not a monarchy. |
| Date | 13:51:09, July 18, 2023 CET | From | Reform Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, we also thank the Liberals for their input. However, we do not plan to fully re-instate the monarchy, which is in keeping with what has been decided in the past, but simply implement a person that is merely a symbol to fill the position, they would have no 'royal family' or any thing like that, which would remain abolished. This would be one single person that would have to keep a regular day job as well to get paid, not live off taxpayer dollars. Then this would allow us to have a fully elected legislature with an elected head of government that is accountable and has the final say, and avoid the scenario we have now where the head of state is a different party from the head of government and has no representation at all in cabinet. |
| Date | 13:56:56, July 18, 2023 CET | From | Reform Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | Implement a full parliamentary democratic system. Article 1.1: The Head of State shall be a single person to fill the role in only a symbolic capacity, no public funds or government funds would be allocated for the performing of this role, and the role carries no special status or privileges to the holder, other than access to the parliamentary precinct to observe legislative proceedings. Article 1.2: No family members of the Head of State would be eligible for special status, and the Head of State is appointed by the governing party for only the term in which that party is in power, and is not hereditary. All new governments would be required to appoint a new Head of State, or they can renew the appointment of a previous selection. |
| Date | 13:57:36, July 18, 2023 CET | From | Reform Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | OOC: Sorry that last message was meant for the bill description |
| Date | 20:46:08, July 18, 2023 CET | From | Reform Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, we are surprised that our Conservative partners are opposed to this bill. It seeks to replace the President, which they have since tabled a non-confidence vote against, with a more accountable and cost-effective system. |
| Date | 02:14:50, July 19, 2023 CET | From | Conservative Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | Mr Speaker, our coalition partners are grossly mistaken. We support this bill and have voted for it. |
| Date | 22:32:24, July 19, 2023 CET | From | Reform Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Democratic Reform Act 5333 (Amended) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, we thank the Conservatives for changing their vote. Unfortunately the other two parties are too absorbed with themselves to see what is best for the nation. The voters will remember. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 253 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 252 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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