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Bill: Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716)
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Submitted by[?]: Hutorian Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3856
Description[?]:
| The information we have gathered suggests that there may be a civil war about to break out within our neighbouring state Davostan (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=415556). Therefore there is a possibility that Hutori may have to deal with some of the impacts of this impending crisis on our doorsteps. It has been confirmed that the state of Gaduridos has been selling weaponry to the Davostan oppositon (http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2496&start=190#p75715) further raising the possibility of a civil war. We have tabled this debate so that all parties are aware of this issue and discuss the possibility of some form of action to protect Hutorian interests. |
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Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:37:14, August 23, 2014 CET | From | Conservative People's Party | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, It appears there are new developments in Gaduridos (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=415565). OOC: I'm not quite sure what they mean by limiting quota, whether that is in Gaduridos or Davostan. |
| Date | 03:08:32, August 23, 2014 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Rt Hon Harold Clarke MP, Foreign Secretary, Madam Speaker, we shall continue to monitor events in the hope that a major war is avoidable in this case. We hope all parties however will be prepared to act should an unfortunate situation arise. OOC : They are referencing the fact that parties in Davostan may only propose 1 new law per year. It has been setup that way by the Satanic Party player so other parties may recieve no visibility and he can win elections - and frustrate opposing players until they leave. |
| Date | 06:41:46, August 23, 2014 CET | From | Justice and Freedom Party | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, We have a question for our government and especially towards Foreign Secretary Rt Hon Harald Clarke, What stance will Hutori take during a civil war? Is there a side that we will choose or do we remain neutral? Will we shelter any refugees and how many? What if the rebels are hiding within our country to strike the regime? What is the overall plan of this government? |
| Date | 20:42:49, August 24, 2014 CET | From | Conservative People's Party | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, We would like to inform Parliament that this has the potential to be an international crisis, with many nations debating whether to arm the revolutionaries or support the government. These nations include Gaduridos (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=415565), Kirwala (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=415679) and Zardugal (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=415615) among others who are considering various forms of action. We will now provide our knowledge about the conflict as it stands. The Bolshevist Party is attempting to start a total revolution against the Satanic Republican Party, who control that nation's Parliament and are the political arm of the monarchy in Davostan. It is no secret that the Satanic Republicans have manipulated the political system in that nation to ensure they maintain dominance. This has built animosity between the parties that is responsible for the current situation. The Constitutional Democrats seem to be in the middle, as a party that is opposed to the Monarchy but would rather preserve the nation than thrust it into civil war. Unfortunately, this has made them a possible target of the Bolshevists and they now seem to be fighting both parties (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=415423). Madam Speaker, since the Bolshevists are using violence to attain political reform, we do not believe we should support them simply because of their methods. The People's Party has been a part of at least four major changes in government in Hutori and not once have we resorted to violence, even in times where we had a majority of support. A party who resorts to violence to attain power in their own nation will not be above using violence in other nations if they attain power. Whether or not we support the other factions in this war, we should not support theirs. As for the Satanic Republicans, they have established a de facto one-party state which is not healthy for any nation. They have also expressed a desire for conquest and have made Davostan a deathtrap with minefields and the like. They have also stated a willingness to use nuclear weapons (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=415423) which will have disastrous effects on our nation and is absolutely unacceptable. As far as we are concerned, even the threat of nuclear weapons makes the Satanic Republican Party an enemy of the state at best. The only remaining party are the Constitutional Democrats, who are currently a political movement with no representation in Davostan. However, they have also placed themselves in opposition to the other two factions and claim to support a peaceful transition of power. We in the People's Party believe that there is only one true choice, to support the Constitutional Democrats in their efforts to maintain order while preventing the other factions from maintaining or attaining power in Davostan. |
| Date | 20:55:32, August 24, 2014 CET | From | Justice and Freedom Party | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, We would like to thank our Prime Minister for a recent status update. We do have several questions; - If a civil war will break out, how will we accommodate the refugees? Are their contacts with other nations that could help us financially or could host refugees? - What will be our response if operations are conducted on our soil from both sides of the conflict? - Isn't it risk full to support only one faction, and a relative weak one? - Does the Prime Minister has the intention to start up a peace conference between the parties and declare our total neutrality? |
| Date | 21:41:56, August 24, 2014 CET | From | Conservative People's Party | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, We would like to respond to the questions posed by the JFP. The current policy is to accept refugees no matter what their reason and give them integration aid. Since we are so close to Davostan, we are the most likely destination for those fleeing the conflict. We are working with the Foreign Secretary and encourage all parties in Hutori to reach out to their constituents and see if there are central locations where these refugees could be housed without causing too much conflict with the people of Hutori. The last thing we need to cause any sort of nationalist, racial, or ethnic conflict in our borders by taking more refugees than we can reasonably support. If this begins to become a problem, we would propose a limit of refugees to extreme circumstance while maintain integration aid in the hope that a decrease in refugees overall will offset the Davostan refugees. As for any operations being conducted on our soil, we would consider that a violation of our sovereignty and an act of war, provided we have not granted military access to any faction. There is a risk in supporting one faction, which is why we welcome the other parties to offer suggestions and contribute to this debate. Whether we go to war or isolate ourselves, every party needs to contribute so we can make as united a front as possible. As for the possibility of a peace conference, we would refer to our last point and add that the People's Party would like to know all points of view and consult the Foreign Minister before making a definitive statement. Of course, we believe peace is always the better choice so long as it is stable and constant. |
| Date | 22:22:50, August 24, 2014 CET | From | Federal Heritage Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, While we could theoretically support an overthrow of the current government in Davostan we believe that direct conflict could lead to nuclear war especially if the current administration of Davostan is backed into to a corner. So instead of taking direct action we could authorize our Intelligence Agency to carry out covert operations. Furthermore we must reject the People's Party disingenuous assertion that a Revolution born in violence leads to an administration of violence. However, it is the formal position of the Defense Ministry that no direct military action should be taken unless our sovereignty is violated. As for the matter of refugees we think that the People's Party position on the matter is adequate. |
| Date | 22:40:36, August 24, 2014 CET | From | Federal Heritage Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, Upon further review we cannot support any form of support of military support covert or otherwise unless the Bolshevist Party agree to follow the Rules of Engagement. |
| Date | 23:14:53, August 24, 2014 CET | From | Conservative People's Party | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, We made no assertion about Revolutions in general will lead to administrations of violence; only that the Bolshevist Party has shown themselves to have a disregard for human life. We believe it is possible that their violent rise to power would result in a ruling party that uses violence with the opposition. However, we must agree with the Defense Ministry in that we should not intervene militarily unless we face a direct invasion or to preserve our sovereignty. |
| Date | 07:19:12, August 25, 2014 CET | From | Justice and Freedom Party | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, I would like to suggest that our Kingdom would remain total neutral and start up attempts to mediate between the involved parties. Call up on other nations to donate humanitarian aid and or shelter any refugees. The JFP also thinks that any weapon transports from abroad on our soil towards Davostan should be seized and the weapons destroyed. |
| Date | 23:57:52, August 25, 2014 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Rt Hon Harold Clarke MP, Foreign Secretary, Madam Speaker, we are against any form of active intervention into Davostan without the support of an international coalition. There is a chance that Hutori will have an active role to play if there is an intervention by such a force - as per our commitments within the CSCO Treaty (http://classic.particracy.net/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=2749). We should not as the JFP suggests - seize incoming weaponry transports from abroad - especially from states who we are allied with in the CSCO Treaty. That situation could furtermore increase tensions between ourselves and Gaduridos - which is undesirable. Madam Speaker, apart from the event that Hutorian military forces are required to assist a CSCO operation, we suggest that Hutori re-inforces our own border with Davostan with our military personnel and retain a commitment to accepting Davostani refugees fleeing a conflict situation. Hutori has long had a history of accepting Davostani citizens - who now form 12% of the Hutorian population according to the most recent population survey (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=414645). This fallout should be this governments priority at the moment - not speculating about a possible intervention and overthrowing of a foreign government - no matter how undesirable the Satanic Republicans may be. Madam Speaker, the situation has also been further complicated by the holding of elections within the state of Davostan quite recently (http://classic.particracy.net/viewnews.php?newsid=432432) with the people of Davostan overwhelmingly supporting the Satanic Republican Party. I believe this Parliament should not be advocating the overthrowing of a democratically elected government - especially considering the opposition parties have shown themselves to be quite barbaric as well. For the moment i suggest that Hutori is prepared to deal with a potential conflict scenario and the possibility of recieving a large number of refugees. Apart from that i simply suggest we talk with our allies within the CSCO and continue to monitor the situation. |
| Date | 18:39:46, September 01, 2014 CET | From |  NWOIAUCFCCNUCDMFSatanilicRepublicanParty | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | I would strongly advised against supporting any terrorist group trying to overthrow and destroy the legitimate SRP government. Sympathizers and supporters of Davostag's enemies will be treated the same as Davostag's enemies, domestic and/or foreign. On the other hand. Aiding the legitimate SRP government of Davostag in exterminating the terrorist scum gains you a full ally forever. (Unless backstabbed of course, and while the SRP is in power.) Which would be a smart move since we all know how this cat and mouse game will eventually end... Hakkar the Houndmaster Foreign Affairs Minister of the Unholy Davostag Empire |
| Date | 16:57:10, October 09, 2014 CET | From | Ultranationalist Party | To | Debating the Debate on Potential Crisis in Davostan (3716) |
| Message | Madam Speaker, We the Ultranationalists are strongly opposed to Hutori's involvement in this war. Currently Hutori is a very weak nation, almost sick to the point of near death and only once we have the cure, that cure being unalterable, uncompromised Ultranationalist doctrine in the form of the 're-education and eradication of all of our internal enemies. Only once this cure has been achieved, can we look to destroy our enemies abroad and destroy them, we will. As we all know, this subhuman Satanic worshipping abomination of a nation is no match for the might of a fully replenished Most Serene and Excellent Kingdom of Hutori. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 535 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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