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Bill: The "You Asked For It" Bill

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Independent Capitalist Party

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor^[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: December 2184

Description^[?]:

You literally asked for it when you voted no on the act to prevent poison bills. It failed to get 2/3 so now we can ruin you. Be careful. If you vote yes, Aloria withdraws from every treaty it's in and chances are you'll never get 2/3 to ever get in another treaty. If you vote no, you won't have time to fix your visibilities before the election. This is why I wanted to prevent poison bills, now you play into our trap.

Proposals

Article 1

Withdraw from the International Convention on the Rights of the Child, 2073.

Article 2

Withdraw from the United Countries.

Article 3

Withdraw from the The Law of the Sea.

Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.

Current: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.

Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.

Article 11

Proposal^[?] to change Scope of food ingredient labeling (if present).

Old value:: All ingredients and corresponding nutritional information must be listed.

Current: Only the major ingredients need to be listed.

Proposed: Only the major ingredients and those with specific labelling requirements must be listed.

Article 12

Proposal^[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.

Old value:: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.

Current: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.

Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in retaliation to any attack.

Article 13

Proposal^[?] to change Waste disposal responsibility.

Old value:: Private companies are responsible for disposing of their own waste. The government disposes of residential waste.

Current: It is the responsibility of local governments to decide on waste disposal regulation.

Proposed: It is the responsibility of local governments to decide on waste disposal regulation.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	18:09:24, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	You are seriously pathetic you know that? I don't give a shit about visibilities right now, im not letting a madman like you get rid off ALL our treaties.

Date	18:10:21, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Once again, this is a pathetic load of trash.

Date	18:12:33, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Haha, you asked for it. Like gentlemen, we gave you a chance to avoid the inevitable fate of you losing power. You voted no to it and rejected it. It failed to get 2/3. Now we do exactly what we said we'd do.

Date	18:14:58, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	And yes, there's a good chance that because of this bill the AC will gain at least 7 seats. Would you then keep your promise and leave Aloria or will you continue to complain and will we have to force you back further? The only thing that could save you now is the return of the Freedom Party, whose remnants are enjoying themselves in power in the Holy Land.

Date	18:15:15, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	That's all you ever go on about, that, and voter bases. Keep your mouth shut about them for once.

Date	18:18:21, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	YAWN ICP, i am tired of you, your extreme stupid bills annoy the hell out of me.

Date	18:25:38, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	If you're tired, you can always leave Aloria back to the country YOU WERE IN POWER IN BEFORE YOU LEFT IT for Aloria.

Date	18:26:22, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	P.S. You're tired of the bills but you weren't afraid to vote no to the one way to stop it. I made the bill, I would have complied to it if it passed w/ 2/3.

Date	18:29:19, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	You know what, i will leave, this bill has done it as well.. this is the stupidest thing to EVER be done in the WHOLE of Terra, and you are the biggest fool i've ever had the displeasure of meeting. I don't know why the other parties haven't left.. im surprised they haven't gone mad from your pathetic bills, and rubbish about "voter bases" and "visibilities"

Date	18:37:44, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Hehe, you've never seen an Axis country when their main gov't loses power. There's literally hundreds of mega bills made in bill fights. And 4/9 of the Aloriain parties are on my side, two are very old, and DSP is stubborn. The only people who probably could be upset enough to leave are DLP and you. And ask yourself or DLP for the answer.

Date	18:38:13, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	This is sheer comedy.

Date	18:40:21, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	If you're upset, suck it up or leave. You never see anyone else complaining but you and sometimes AGSP.

Date	18:41:19, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	[OOC: Has it really gotten to the point that other countries look to ours for entertainment? :P]

Date	18:43:04, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Really? They do that in the Axis countries? Did you know that i don't care about them? I said i am leaving, after the next election, and until then.. i refuse to even speak to you.

Date	18:44:07, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	OOC: I think it has you know, we must be a well known nation :D

Date	18:44:33, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Good, I'll ignore you, too. Perhaps Aloria can have 8 months of peace...

Date	18:47:38, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	OOC: Yes, and I talked to a Particracy IRCer from another country a few days ago and they know Aloria as the country that "devolves everything"

Date	18:52:11, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	It's ironic that you two are both agreeing out of character...

Date	18:54:41, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	...can't you just... get along? muches popcorn

Date	18:54:49, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	...can't you just... get along? munches popcorn

Date	18:55:18, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Damn last minute typo correction... nonchalent whistling

Date	18:56:09, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	OOC: Haha, oh God, i ddn't think we were so known. Yes, it is weird that we get on OOC, but.. this is just a game, keep that in mind and your ok.

Date	19:03:41, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	It's hard to tell sometimes with you two... you argue like a married couple.

Date	19:10:35, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Are we a well known Nation in the Repbulic of Pontesi?

Date	19:38:48, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	CNP don't leave over it. That's just what the ICP wants you to do. Stick around and piss them off even more.

Date	19:40:29, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Oh, and we reiterate that the ICP is childish and pathetic. Grow up.

Date	19:41:25, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	You know, your right. ICP just gives me this impression that im bringing Aloria down, and that all the other parties hate me. Well, i don't care.. if they do hate me, they'll have to deal with it! Im staying here!

Date	19:44:13, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	The only party that hates you is the ICP. That's because they can't stand the fact that they've been forced out of power twice now.

Date	19:48:19, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Yeah, your right. They're just scared of me. Thank you for convinving me to stay DSP, you are a good friend and a good ally.

Date	20:06:09, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	DSP, we can stand the fact. We always get back in more powerful than before. That's what you can't stand, DSP. Oh please stay, CNP. You'll split their votes further.

Date	20:11:18, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	We fear CNP not. You can convince yourselves of lies, but the truth is this: The Aloria Coalition is the only truely legitamate government. The Aloria Coalition is the only government that does anything while in power. The Aloria Coalition is the only coalition united enough to actually win HoS. The Aloria Coalition is so popular it was out of power only by 7 seats although CNP returned and tried to steal ICP voters. There is a good chance the Aloria Coalition will regain power and you are afraid of that. The Aloria Coalition never makes up lies about the anti-Aloria Coalition, but the anti-Aloria parties make up lies about the AC just to make themselves feel good. The Independent Capitalist Party does not fear the failing and old Capitalism Now! Party. It is quite easy to ruin them. The Democratic Socialist Party is nothing but a smaller SRP-wannabe party that spews lies and is a yes-man party to AGSP. The Aloria Coalition does not have a divided voter base and has a more popular voter base and thus is mostly in power. It is inevitable to lose power, if you don't like it suck it up and accept it or leave. The door's always open.

Date	20:12:24, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	If you were so powerful, you wouldn't have lost power again so soon. You just have to face that you can't dominate Aloria any more, you'll never stay in power for long if you even manage to get it back again.

Date	20:13:31, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	If it comforts you, keep telling yourself that. Your time has been and gone.

Date	20:18:11, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	"If you were so powerful, you wouldn't have lost power again so soon. You just have to face that you can't dominate Aloria any more, you'll never stay in power for long if you even manage to get it back again." We've lost it before. It always happens after a surprise factor and we always get it back. History is on our side. "If it comforts you, keep telling yourself that. Your time has been and gone." Quite funny, you said that last time and we retook power stronger than before. P.S. The ICP hopes the CNP stays. It's soooooooo much easier to manipulate yourself into large partiness when you have a lot of parties in your country.

Date	20:32:57, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Social Reform Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	CN!P, the only reason they "like" you is because you put them in power. Ever noticed how everyone else in your coalition are socialists? Yeah, I bet they just love you getting in the way of their unitarist, regulator platform.

Date	20:58:07, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Oh, the puppet SRP finally decides to say something, well done Mr. Facist, way to try and get rid of our treaties. Too busy kissing the ICP's ass to see what damage this may do to Aloria. I remember the ICP telling me i don't care about Aloria, hey, you really care now while your trying to get rid of ALL our treaties, fool.

Date	21:14:05, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Social Reform Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	The puppet SRP, leader of the Aloria Coaltion? Yes... that sounds about right, but Fascist? No, you see Fascists are Unitarist Regulators (like your allies). The SRP is liberal, devolutionist, and regulator. We simply put Aloria first.

Date	22:16:04, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Ahh yes, how noble of you to want to get rid of "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights". That's very caring, oh, and what about "The International Convention on the Rights of the Child". Oh, what a caring soul you are.

Date	22:16:24, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Ahh yes, how noble of you to want to get rid of "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights". That's very caring, oh, and what about "The International Convention on the Rights of the Child". Oh, what a caring soul you are. What a way to put Aloria first! Fool.

Date	22:27:57, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Social Reform Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Both of those are legislatively restrictive, and we don't actually need them to uphold children rights, or human rights. In fact, Aloria should be strong enough to uphold them without restrictive treaties!

Date	22:41:22, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Hehe, just because I'm the spokesman doesn't mean that I'm the puppetmaster. We all are our own parties, chosen to band together in the Aloria Coalition - not because of selfish gains but because of the betterment of Aloria. The anti-Aloria Coalition simply does it for gains and even cut out LGDP and replaced them with you. You serve no purpose for them but to steal federalist votes, that's why DSP wants you to stay. You are mistaken, CNP. You are the puppet! If you are your own master, then you should leave if you want, stay if you want. It's your choice. Don't be bossed around by the anti-Alorians. I don't hate you, I hate to see such a great party being forced to be a puppet. Act independently. Don't be caught up in politics.

Date	23:04:43, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	P.S. I don't give a damn if you leave or stay, it's DSP who wants to stay because the second you leave they'll never have a chance at power again. You see, I'm not using you, I don't fear you, etc. I am not in an evil conspiracy, I am not a puppet master, I'm not fascist (in fact, libertarian is the exact opposite). I don't hate you, my party opposes you because you joined Aloria for the sole purpose to oppose us. My party is like the Libertarian Capitalist Party from back in the day, the difference is that you joined Aloria for the express purpose of taking me out of power because you hated things the Independent Centrist Party, the Independent Capitalist Party's predecessor party, did to you back when our platform was a lot different. The reason my party and your party don't get along although being very similar is that you're siding with the anti-libertarians. You are putting people with minority views in power in the government by giving people with views expressed by less than 50% of the Alorians more than 50% of the seats by you siding with them. You are advocating tyranny by minority. So, if you really care about your voters, why are you betraying them by putting people with opposite views in the cabinet? At least the Aloria Coalition is all libertarians of some sort. What upsets me is that it winds up being libertarian capitalist against libertarian capitalist, the battle being waged over the key ICP-CNP-HCP seats. The federalist majority is out by 7 seats because a small portion of federalists betrayed the fellow federalists and put unitarists in power. The most key issue that divides parties in Aloria is federalism, and why are you letting the minority have majority powers? If you truely love your voters, you should cease to side with exact opposites of your voters or leave. What you are doing is the thing you are accusing me of. You are putting your want for power above the good of your voters. That's why I mention voter base. You should remember your voter base or your voter base will not remember you come election day. So leave, stay, or whatever you want. However, remember that you should be the master of your own party, not the puppet to bring the minority of unitarists into power. Your fight is not with the Independent Capitalist Party, it is with the Independent Centrist Party. Things changed, CNP. We are not the party you once knew and hated. Do whatever you want, but at least be honest to your voters.

Date	23:16:30, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	I hereby offer my thanks to the parties of Aloria for proving the CBP belief that political debate is just like children arguing on a playground. That, and I've not laughed so much in years.

Date	23:27:36, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	"Are we a well known Nation in the Republic of Pontesi?" Not really, I was just introduced to the game by some of the players here in Aloria, so I like to see how they're getting on from time to time. ;) It's really occuring to me how much this debate could be based on a Shakespearean comedy, especially with the CNP!s change from anger, to departure and almost defeatism, to the DSP whispering in their ears to see them bounce back and resurge... Let's hope the last night is a fitting final� should it ever come...

Date	23:37:03, February 11, 2006 CET
From	Democratic Liberal Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Couldn't be more opposed...

Date	00:17:53, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	ICP, if i remember rightly i joined this nation years back BEFORE you, and if you also remember YOU started a rivalry with me!.. Or can't you remember back that far?

Date	01:22:46, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	CNP, perhaps you forgot that I moved on and you started it up again? It doesn't matter who starts a vendetta, it matters who keeps it going...

Date	01:23:38, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Or rather, you moved on from Aloria. And the ICP moved on politically. All was peace. Then you moved back for the sole purpose of starting back the old vendetta. So for all purposes, you started it this time.

Date	01:41:24, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Ahh here we go AGAIN, with the rubbish about me returning for the "vendetta" i told you why i came back, you don't listen, really you don't

Date	01:57:35, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Fair Capitalism Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	ICP: OOCly, NO. This is just stupid. And ICly: "The ICP should be ashamed of theirselves. They have made a mockery of the Alorian democratic system. For this, they will pay."

Date	02:09:42, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	CNP: If you came back for the love of Aloria why did you mention me in your first message back and not your love for Aloria? FCP: The CNP/DSP/AGSP made a mockery when they voted no to the one bill that if passed by 2/3 could have stopped this...

Date	02:17:17, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Ah, so, ICP, you thought you'd just go mad and try to screw up Aloria? I thought you said Aloria was going through a change, but since i returned it's all gone wrong... ahh, so i guess all this is once again my fault? It's my fault that your an idiot who's trying to destroy the country he "loves" so much.

Date	02:20:56, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	This isn't screwing Aloria up. Sometimes you have to go one step backwards to get the ineffective government out of power and go three steps forward.

Date	02:22:56, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Or you just have to put a load of crap into a sentence and see if it passes as a good argument.

Date	02:34:27, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	It's better than simply criticizing the phrasing instead of the actual point.

Date	02:39:03, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	ICP, i think this has had enough "debate" let us give it a rest for now, before a fight breaks out.

Date	02:43:51, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Tell that to FCp, he's keeping it going in IRC... sigh

Date	02:46:01, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Capitalism Now! Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	OOC: Can you tell me what "IRC" is exactly?

Date	03:58:26, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	[OOC: IRC is Internet Relay Chat. Google it to find a client. #Particracy (on irc.esper.net) is the official Particracy channel, but a lot of Alorian parties are in #NationStates2: ICP - Nanakaland SRP - Hallad FCP - Jon LGDP - DracheK HCP - DrRevotron You can stop by on IRC if you want.]

Date	04:01:57, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	[OOC: PS. the CBP, who posted here from Pontesi, also frequents #NationStates2 on irc.esper.net]

Date	14:00:52, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Aloria Green Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Dear god, this is dumb. You didn't vote for ICP's bill, now he's going to chuck the toys out of the pram!

Date	15:11:08, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Hey, we gave you fair warning that we were going to do this. And it's better to mess people's views up by 4 clauses rather than shoving them to an extreme with a 14 clause bill (like AGSP or DSP).

Date	16:11:39, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Aloria Green Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	ICP has taken a trip to hypocrite city!

Date	16:25:08, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Yes. It's current citizens number 3,252,206,922 (the world population)

Date	17:30:46, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Fair Capitalism Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Just abstain, people. They can't win, and your visibilities won't be mucked up.

Date	17:42:06, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	We laugh at the FCP. Quite funny how four legislative clauses are what you're worried about messing you up. AGSP and DSP bills have an average of 10. Those shove you to extremes. Of course, it wasn't an ACer doing those bills so you're not upset on them.

Date	18:59:28, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	There are lies, there are damned lies, and then there's whatever ICP comes out with. Let's just break down all the bills I've proposed - shall we? * Establishment of a Minimum Wage - 1 * Advertising Standards Act - 1 * Public Media Act of 2169 - 3 * Economic Protection Act - 2 * Cloning Regulation Act 2170 - 1 * Governing Council Modification - 1 * Cabinet Proposal of October 2180 - 0 * Cabinet Proposal of December 2181 - 0 * Reformation of Religion - 5 * Alorian Civil Liberties Act of 2183 - 5 19 proposals, 10 bills, average of 1.9 proposals per bill. And now the last few bills of the AGSP: # Guess what? The AGSP wants an end to biological & chemical weapons. - 2 # Must the intelligence sevices be so invasive? - 1 # Not the state's business. - 1 # AGSP Reform Bill - 20 # Anti AC Cabinet Proposal of December 2170 - 0 # Environment Reform Bill - 9 # Space Regulation Bill - 1 # New Environment Reform Bill - 3 # Name Change Bill. 1 (not strictly speaking, mind) # Anti-Regulation Bill - 1 # We Love Big Bills Too Bill. - 16 # Anti-Coalition Cabinet Proposal of March 2179 - 0 # Call for early elections, June 2179 -1 # Call for early elections, March 2180 -1 # Save Terra Act - 8 64 proposals in 15 bills. An average of 4.27 proposals per bills. So yes, as you can see, the ICP lies about everything.

Date	19:15:47, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Ah yes, this bill requires half the legislature to vote YES. That means they can't win anyway. Everyone abstain!

Date	19:20:01, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	On second thoughts, I could use the boost to my Military and Foreign Relations visibilities. Thanks, ICP!

Date	19:24:03, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	DSP/AGSP: You still did more mega bills in the past legislative session. I was willing to stop, you continue things. And go ahead, DSP. Get more unpopular views.

Date	20:50:42, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	In the last legislative session I had two 5 proposal bills and AGSP had an 8. Yep, you still lied.

Date	21:00:57, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Aloria Green Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Exactly. Anyone remember ICP's cabinet bill? Pure evil.

Date	21:01:23, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Yes, and this is my big bill in retaliation. 3 > 1. Plus, this has 4 clauses that will affect your visibility. 5+5+8 > 4. It'd have been easier for the sake of debates if you just voted for the ban.

Date	21:09:10, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Aloria Green Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	I'm all for freedom. Even without a ban, you didn't have to do this. In fact, it dents your credibility yet further.

Date	21:12:19, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Meh, how about a deal, then? I'll stop making bills (other than cabinet ones) with more than 5 clauses if you do. Unless it passes by 2/3 because if it does it's a popular one and not a trap one.

Date	21:55:42, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Fair Capitalism Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	I would agree, were it not for the fact the ICP has completely ruined their credibility. Therefore, we will make no deals, we will trust the ICP with nothing. OOC: If the voters were smart enough to read any of your comments you'd be dead now. :P

Date	22:22:31, February 12, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	OOC: If voters were smart, CNP would have 0 seats because they vote federalist for visibilities but then vote anti-federalist in resolutions and cabinets and thus would appeal to neither voter base. If voters were smart, there would be loyalties (ie. you couldn't go from 0 seats to 100 or 300 to 50). Voters aren't smart in Particracy. It's AI. Artificial intelligence is artificial. If voters were smart the AC would have never lost power.

Date	00:23:32, February 13, 2006 CET
From	Aloria Green Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	The AGSP will never give in to threats an ulitmatums. If the ICP is really against these bills, they should lead by example. We are not going to be told to stop sucking eggs by an egg-sucker.

Date	00:28:54, February 13, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	Okay we'll lead by examples. We won't make any mega bills as long as no one else does. If anyone else does, we may have to make them to readjust the visibilities to what they should normally be at. We're not going to start it this new and clean legislative session.

Date	00:31:15, February 13, 2006 CET
From	Aloria Green Socialist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	That souns a bit more fair. Shame on you for this though. I think it's perfectly reasonable to put forward a really big bill full of things you genuinely believe in. Do you really want to withdraw from the olypic association, for example?

Date	00:44:19, February 13, 2006 CET
From	Independent Capitalist Party
To	Debating the The "You Asked For It" Bill
Message	My mistake, don't repeat it yourself.

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